[lit-ideas] Re: Max Boot
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 00:16:52 -0000
OK I'll say it *another* one more time. You said when someone
criticised terrorists/terrorism, they were attacked. That is not
true. It's true Eric's been attacked on this list, it's true
you've been attacked on this list. It's also true you've both
attacked other people. What is not true
is that you've been attacked
>for wanting to oppose
> Militant Islamists.
that is either a lie or a total failure to read and understand
the posts on
this list.
Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:06 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Max Boot
> I just did silly. Andreas attacked both Eric and I for wanting
to oppose
> Militant Islamists. Andreas ends his note with an attack
against Eric, me
> and America. This has happened over and over but I'm not going
to waste my
> time on one of your silly goose chases in which you get me to
go off on a
> tangent and leave my main argument behind. I said if the
stakes were large
> enough I'd go back in the archives but you couldn't afford it.
>
> If you are really being straight in this then maybe you don't
see what
> Andreas did as an attack. Sure he criticized Eric America and
I but only
> because we deserved it; which means it isn't a real attack.
Well it is an
> attack, Judy. We began talking about Terrorists and Andreas
ends up talking
> about how rotten, Eric, most of America and I are.
>
> Lawrence
>
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> On Behalf Of Judith Evans
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:49 PM
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Max Boot
>
> What began as criticism of
> > Militant Islam ends up a criticism of Lawrence, Eric, and the
> USA. This
> > stands as but one example of what Judy says doesn't exist.
>
> I'll say it one more time. You said that when a list member
> criticised
> terrorism/terrorists, they were attacked. That is not true.
> I'll make
> your task easier. Produce just one example of a list member
> being attacked
> for opposing or criticising terrorism. Just one. That is what
I
> said didn't
> exist.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:43 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Max Boot
>
>
> > Baloney, Andreas, but better written than most of your
Baloney
> so a relative
> > pleasure to read. You begin with the assumption that what
> Joerg says is
> > true. Of course it isn't true. We don't have large scale
> atrocities
> > committed in our name. If there are atrocities of any size
> whatsover then
> > someone is brought to justice. Our enemy on the other hand
> commits large
> > scale atrocities and claims religious authority for them and
> receives
> > applause from the rest of Militant Islam.
> >
> >
> >
> > Assuming this false statement to be true you speak of the
love
> Eric and I
> > have for massive murder. Which is another falsehood. It has
a
> nice
> > literary ring to it, but it is nevertheless false. We have
no
> such love.
> > Our interest is in defeating our enemy and defending our
> country. Eric is
> > angry and speaking "over-the-top" in his anger; but so what.
> After our
> > enemy is defeated we shall be perfectly happy to let him live
> in peace. All
> > he needs to do is let us live in peace. Of course there is
> that other
> > language problem, the one the enemy has when he says that he
> won't stop
> > until we are all dead. Eric, living near the Twin Towers
ought
> to be given
> > a little slack for being unhappy with the Terrorists, but I'm
> not willing to
> > give our enemy any slack when he promises to destroy us
because
> there are
> > elements representing his Militant Islamic point of view who
> are striving to
> > do just that. Only our resistance, including military
> resistance, is
> > preventing that from happening. So those interested in
defense
> of one's
> > nation are castigated for it by those who don't want their
> little cocoons of
> > security disturbed by things like spiders, rats, Terrorists
and
> their
> > exterminators.
> >
> >
> >
> > You say that Eric and I if we lived in Europe would feel
> societal pressure
> > to behave in a civilized manner for wanting to force the
> Militant Islamics
> > bent upon killing us to behave in a civilized manner. Who is
> the more
> > civilized, those who want to resist a group bent upon the
> destruction of
> > civilization or those resisting that destruction? Are the
> Terrorists and
> > their supporters more civilized, or are Eric and I for
wanting
> to resist
> > their destructive behavior?
> >
> >
> >
> > And I note that you have ended up attacking America one more
> time. Note,
> > you hypothetically new members, what Andreas concludes with:
> "Lawrence and
> > Eric actually do represent the USA, both in foreign and
> domestic matters.
> > Everyone outside the USA can see how the Bush White House
dealt
> with the
> > Arabs in Iraq and the Blacks in New Orleans." What began as
> criticism of
> > Militant Islam ends up a criticism of Lawrence, Eric, and the
> USA. This
> > stands as but one example of what Judy says doesn't exist.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lawrence
> >
> >
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