I wrote: But iff 'Sandy' uttered or printed the expression in 1599, he's ahead of Cervantes and wins the best policy prize: Volume I of DQ was published in 1605. -------------------------------------- Philosophers and logicians will see the force of this. Robert Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html