On Oct 18, 2011, at 10:29 PM, Eric Yost wrote: > > Non-complex system going critical = a farmer in 1940s Idaho forgets his > camera and has to go back to his house to get it. He does. End of story. > > Except in 1940 in Idaho, the farmer had a real camera and was growing real potatoes. Thus, if it were not for the influence of history, the closed system would have been at least twice as real. David Ritchie, listening to his dog snore in Portland, Oregon