[lit-ideas] Re: Ground Zero (hey, Eric?)

  • From: Mike Geary <jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:33:29 -0500

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Lawrence Helm
<lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
I'm reminded of D. H. Lawrence who wrote "The minority of whites
intellectualize the Red Man and laud him to the skies.  But this minority of
whites is mostly a high-brow minority with a big grouch against its own
whiteness."

 Lawrence and Lawrence apparently believe that white people are superior
people.  I think we've heard all this before at the cost of tens of millions
of lives.  No thanks, Lawrence.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take away from Lawrence's post on
Lawrence.  What does "race spirit" mean?  Why does he say: "Self-hatred is
the in-thing of the "high-brow minority "?   Who is the "high brow minority
with a big grouch against its own whiteness"?  Is it he?

Mike Geary
Memphis





On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Lawrence Helm
<lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> I'm reminded of D. H. Lawrence who wrote "The minority of whites
> intellectualize the Red Man and laud him to the skies.  But this minority
> of whites is mostly a high-brow minority with a big grouch against its own
> whiteness."  Lawrence and Lawrence apparently believe that white people are
> superior poeple.  I think we'vre heard all this before at the cost of tens
> of millions of lives.  No thanks.
>



>
>
> He also wrote, "There'll never be any life in America till you pull the pin
> out and admit natural inequality.  Natural superiority, natural
> inferiority.  Till such time, Americans just buzz around like various
> sorts of propellers, pinned down by their freedom and equality."
>
>
>
> And at one point in his discussion of Fenimore Cooper's leatherstocking
> novels, Lawrence wrote, ". . . the Natty and Chingachgook myth must remain a
> myth.  It is wish-fulfillment, an evasion of actuality.  As we have said
> before, the folds of the Great Serpent would have been heavy, very heavy,
> too heavy, on any white man.  Unless the white man were a true renegade,
> hating himself and his own race-spirit, as sometimes happens."
>
>
>
> He wrote those things between 1917 and 1923.  Since then the minority he
> refers to has grown.  Self-hatred is the in-thing of the "high-brow
> minority wit
>
>
>
> Therefore let's erase our American distinctiveness so that we can prevent
> our enemy's intrusion.  Let us become nothing; so we can make him nothing
> as well.
>
>
>
> D. H. Lawrence would have had quite a chuckle over discussions like this
> one.
>
>
>
> Lawrence
>
>
>
> *From:* lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Mike Geary
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:22 PM
>
> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: Ground Zero (hey, Eric?)
>
>
>
> How is it possible to stop any religious organization from buying property
> and building a center dedicated to the interests of that religion anywhere
> unless all other religions are  similarly forbidden to do so within that
> area as well?  Zoning laws make sense to me, but only if they're applied
> equally to all, else welcome to injustice.  Islamism did not commit the
> crimes of 9/11 -- radical individuals did and though they were Islamists,
> they are not representative of Islamism -- only its right-wing extreme.
> Many of the contemporary crimes of Christians and Jews are no less heinous.
> Unless NYC is prepared to outlaw all religious institutions from operating
> within Ground Zero, I see no just or Constitutional way to prohibit the
> Islamists from doing so.
>
>
> Mike Geary
> going Muslim in Memphis
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> I'm interested to know the opinions of listers re. the proposed Mosque at
> the GZ site ... especially (but by no means only) those in the NY region --
> what's the prevailing attitude there?
>
>
> Julie Krueger
>
>
>

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