They weren't that serious, nor did they contain serious argument; however, though they have failed to reach the archives - for whatever reason - and may not therefore have reached the list, one must have got throughin some form as it provoked two off-list posts to me which, if I knew Italian better, I might be able to confirm were abusive. This now adds to puzzles that remain, including how someone (some time ago) managed to post to the list in the guise of my mailing-address. Turning to the substance of the thread: of course, the following only appear to contradict:- >For example 'John Locke--my favourite English philosopher ever--mostly influential in Oxford…' 'Thomas Hobbes--my favourite English philosopher EVER…'> Not only has time passed between the first and second claim in which a change of opinion is logically possible and indeed permissible, but they are perhaps logically compatible provided "ever" and "EVER" are not equivalent "substitutionally" a la early Kripke. As to Locke, his influence is so huge that it hides in plain sight and it is possible to frame the outstanding philosophical issue of modern times as to whether we adopt a kind of Lockean realism or a kind of Kantian idealism [see Michael Ayers on Locke for this kind of view]. D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Sent: Friday, 18 January 2013, 13:11 Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Grice Now Perhaps you can try resending them? Thanks, I will comment on R. Paul under a separate post, I hope. Cheers, Speranza In a message dated 1/18/2013 8:15:42 A.M. UTC-02, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: A post in this thread and in another were sent by me yesterday but have not showed up, even in the archive, so this is to check what is happening and to assure everyone how worthwhile those posts were. D ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Sent: Friday, 18 January 2013, 1:19 Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Grice Now JL presents a list of philosophers from Philosophy Now's recent 'polls' and comments on their proximity to or distance from the Master. For example 'John Locke--my favourite English philosopher ever--mostly influential in Oxford…' 'Thomas Hobbes--my favourite English philosopher EVER…' One should, I think, pass over in silence this evidence that on some questions JL is of two minds. As it were. Students of Constitutional history might add that Locke was somewhat influential in the the Colonies; or, rather, his ideas were. At Oxford, he was mostly admired for his ability to recite the Tractatus, in German, at a moment's notice. Robert Paul, a long way from Brasenose College ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html