John, I can understand why sex and violence are associated in someone's mind who thinks the human race doesn't deserve to continue because it is wrecking the environment, but why would Geary associate those two? He believes in the perfectibility . . . wait a minute, he balked at that absolute term being a relativist and nihilist . . . what was the term he used? Something like vast improvability, but I'm pretty sure (though not willing to go searching back through the archives for the exact term) he referred to the "brotherhood of man." And now that he has associated sex and violence in his recent notes, it comes hammered home to me (along with a headache) that he might not have been using "brotherhood" in its inclusive sense to mean both men and women. He may only have meant men, that is, brotherhood of man, men getting along with each other while instead of war they take out their biological aggression on women. Wasn't that one of the slogans back in the 60s when Gearism was in its infancy, make love not war? I always assumed the love part to be benign and harmless, but now that we have this new insight into the Geary psyche it takes on a more sinister character. And thanks to your biological insight, John, I can imagine little brotherhoods of arachnid-like Gearies pouring out of ant-hills to tear the heads off of females during coitus. No doubt my lack of that desire accounts for my warlike wish to defend the country against Islamists. I must sublimate my natural violent urge against females (which is so sublimated I don't feel it) by taking it out on innocent Islamists. That accounts for a lot. And now, how can I go on? At the moment I'm in favor of heating up the global-warming gun another six degrees and blowing all our brains out! . . . or is that just the headache? At my age, one can never be sure. Lawrence Helm San Jacinto From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John McCreery Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:05 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: For JL On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Why is sex so often associated with violence? Because women are so uncooperative? I don't know. At the risk of interrupting the humorous repartee, allow me to note the most likely answer, a simple, literal fact: Human beings are animals. The association of sex and violence is a common pattern found among any number of species, but especially among those where the number of offspring is low and copulation required to fertilize the egg. This pattern is strongly associated with territoriality and defense of the nest. The mitigating factor is typically the ritualization of violence that minimizes actual injury. An alternative, found among several insects, but especially the preying mantis, involves the killing and consumption of the male once the act of copulation is successfully undertaken. There are, I believe, some species of mantis in which the female beheads the male while the penis is still inserted and pumping away. Ah, biology. John -- John McCreery The Word Works, Ltd., Yokohama, JAPAN Tel. +81-45-314-9324 http://www.wordworks.jp/