________________________________ From: "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx >I wonder, and do wonder if I wonder, if D. McEvoy (he isn't) is offering the example below as a repartee to my post where I asked for specific illustrations on the use of 'sense'. You see that the subject line: The sign says its own sense. becomes jargonistic in a charming way.> "Jargonistic"? What the subject-heading perhaps does is play on the idea of "sign" generally [as per semantics] and the more specific meaning of "sign" as in "road sign" "town name sign" etc: this invites whether the principles of the sense of the latter are different to those of other signs. Do I _really_ have to suggest again that, for W, it is a true of all "signs" [insofar as 'what-is-said' is constituted by 'signs'] that their sense is not _said_ or stated in the sign? (If so, give me a sign. FFS.) <snip> >Enter McEvoy's claim: A sign says its own sense.> This is not my claim. It is my claim that W _denies_ _this_ claim. Also I am at a loss to how you think W aims to do away with 'signs' in his account of sense? Signing off, sighing Dnl Ldn Who perhaps should watch "Looking For Richard" later