In a message dated 2/28/2005 3:14:25 AM Central Standard Time, mccreery@xxxxxxx writes: I, too, have a daughter and her upbringing was very much along "nurturant parent" lines. She, too, is a very persuasive person who never had to fear punishment for trying to give a good reason for something. HI, What about consequences for decisions? If you had a good reason for it (or even 'just' a reason...) What about when those decisions are selfish or mean? (but I did/didn't do it because...) What about the issue of 'entitlement'? How does this play into a nurturant family? (I am also thinking of Bush's social security reform--he failed in many businesses and if he had not had family friends to continue to invest...what would have happened to him? No real consequences for failure for him, unlike many of the people I know...or is it that he was from a nurturant family and thus was able to continue to try without fear of failure--and 'matched' to those who would help him? That is one thing that bothers me about his rhetoric--he has not clue as to what it is like to stare at the ceiling and not know what to do to be able to survive...but was it that those who are in that situation were raised in other families and thus are not able to have hope/belief/whatever it takes to get out of their situations? Or is it that their situations are really rough and it *would* take a 'helping hand' [but none is available]?) Thinking more about this model, Marlena in Missouri ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html