John, I have confirmed that it is the same dot pattern for the contraction "the", but I'm told that because the @ is used in an email address which should be uncontracted, then it is correct and won't be confused with the contraction "the". this is SEB and UEB is different in this case. Thanks for checking, as this level of Braille is beyond me, but I have a very qualified braille expert I rely on, but that doesn't mean "I" don't make mistakes!
Can I just double check that I've understood it?A character needs a definition opcode and then can be used in a translation opcode.
Thanks Paul On 04/12/2012 20:16, John J. Boyer wrote:
My poiknt is simp[[ly that the always opcode does not define a character. Dot patterns should be defined with a character-definition opcode. The line always @ 2346 is curious. This is the dot pattern for the contraction for "the". Why was it put in? Table file names are a mess. Straightening them out would break backward compatibility. John On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 11:24:56AM +0000, Paul wood wrote:I've changed the Subject as I was misleading people into thinking I was referring to UEB, Sorry! I'm working on the SEB (GB) tables we are using. John wrote: "First, the @ (at sign) should not be "defined" with the always opcode. This is not a definition. Characters are defined with character-definition opcodes. In this case the correct opcode would be sign or punctuation. The definition should be in en-ueb-g2.ctb Search for the actual @ character in a text editor." I have found: sign @ 2346 in "ukchardefs.cti" (Note: is it possible to keep to some sort of standard for naming tables. sometimes uk, sometimes gb and also en-ueb.cti etc.) which is included in "en-gb-g1.utb" which it's self has: always @ 2346 which is included in "en-GB-g2.ctb" So am I to understand, John, that the opcode in "en-gb-g1.utb" (always @ 2346) is superfluous? Is this also true of all the other characters already defined in "ukchardefs.cti" which are in "en-gb-g1.utb"? Thanks Paul On 04/12/2012 12:42 AM, Greg Kearney wrote:Should not the at sign @ be 4-1 in UEB and not 2346? Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100 Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America) Email: greg.kearney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights On 04/12/2012, at 1:32 AM, Paul wood <paulw.torchtrust@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Sorry not to be answering your question here, but to do with testing tables etc. Is there a way to know where a particular translation rule is being obeyed from? To solve this problem we have: We want the @ sign to be 2346 etc. we check the table we presume it should be in and it is defined as always @ 2346 so presumably something else is interceding. Is there a way without systematically going through the tables to find the command which is overriding this one? Thanks Paul On 03/12/2012 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:Now that the UEB tables are in the liblouis svn we can test both translation and back-translation. The best tool for this is lou_allround, which is available if you have built liblouis on Linux or Mac. It is completely interactive. After you give it a table name you can type r for run and then type in anything you want. It will show both the translation and back-translation and will even tell you if the back-translation matches the original by displaying the message "perfect roundtrip!" If there is sufficient demand this facility can be made available on Windows through a BrailleBlaster subcommand. 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