Hi everyone,
This lends support to the fact that devs did the homework right, given that Jen
is an actual authority on UEB in United States (as chair of BANA).
Cheers,
Joseph
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From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jennifer Dunnam
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:49 AM
To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: FW: Missing grade 1 indicator for
abbreviation or punctuation that looks like contracted braille
Good afternoon,
I have never posted to this list before, so my apologies if I should not be
chiming in at this juncture, but in case they are helpful, here are my comments
about the list of words given that could look like contractions.
The rules of UEB indicate that if a sequence of letters is the same as those
used in a shortform (such as "alt" which also stands for "altogether), then a
grade 1 symbol indicator should be used before the sequence when it means "alt"
in order to make the meaning clear.
This is found in section 10.9.5 of the rules of UEB.
However, the list of words that this gentleman has provided all include
"groupsigns" when in grade 2 translation (such as the "con"
contraction in "concvg" or "th" in "alth".). Therefore, it would not be
appropriate to use a grade 1 indicator before these sequences because they
contain contractions which are grade 2 braille symbols.
The appropriate way to handle these letter sequences is to write them without
contractions; this clearly distinguishes them from the shortforms.
I am using JAWS2018 Beta 2 which I understand uses Liblouis 3.3. In this
version, the sequences in this list are correctly being displayed without
contractions and are therefore easily distinguishable from the shortforms.
JAWS 17 uses an older version of Liblouis, which is displaying the contractions
in these letters sequences, so that it is not possible to tell whether a
shortform is intended, or if the intent is the sequence of letters.
Note that the sequence "ourfs" on this list does not correspond to any
shortform, and JAWS 2018 beta 2 is appropriately displaying a contraction in
this sequence. The person may have meant to type "ourvs" which is the shortform
for "ourselves"; the "ourvs" sequence also appropriately displays without a
contraction in JAWS 2018.
I hope this helps.
On 10/6/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,For a description of the software, to download it and links to project pages go
Do we have any ideas regarding this, or for that matter, anything that
this person is asking regarding UEB translation bugs? Thanks.
From: Robin, Michael [mailto:robin@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 9:43 AM
To: joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Missing grade 1 indicator for abbreviation or punctuation
that looks like contracted braille
Hi Joseph,
These issues are based on grade 2 UEB used by JAWS 2018.1710.1 using
Liblouis 3.3 as follows:
1. There is a missing grade 1 indicator (dots 5 and 6) followed by any
abbreviation that looks like contracted braille - see attached list.
2. There is the missing grade 1 indicator followed by any punctuation
that looks like contracted braille.
For example:
:text - colon looks like "con" on the braille cell.
context - full word including "con" on one braille cell
Please fix these issues that JAWS 17 is using your software.
There is no issue in any braille magazine that uses grade 2 UEB.
Thank you.
Michael
Programmer Analyst
