Dear Leica friends; Let me introduce myself a little bit (sorry for my english not too good) , my complete name and surname is Jose Angel Bermell, 41 years old, living and born in Valencia, Spain. Main hobby : Keep in good conditions many photo cameras that I have, amongst them one black Leica R8 in mint condition with a Vario Elmar 28-70 and a Vario Elmar 80-200. Not far away I have decided to purchase a Leica R4s not received yet with serial number 1654409 made in 1984 or may be 1985, I paid for these camera 250 Euro plus 20 of shipping to Valencia, the camera was purchased on ebay. With regard to Leica R8, I've bought it during year 2,000 with the Vario Elmar 28-70 and I have paid near about 3,000 Euro, now with the digital trends in the market, (and despite of the possibility to use digital back) in the second hand market could be possibly find one Leica R8 at good price 1,200-1500 Euro. 1) Someone can help me where can I find a good report of these cameras inside internet ? What is your opinion about the Vario Elmar 28-70 and 80-800 may be manufactured by Kyocera or Sigma ????? in Japan 2) Is there any significant quality between Leica R4s made in Wetzlar or these R4 which were made in Portugal ???? 3) The quality of ROM lenses is better than not ROM lenses ??? Your comments and opinion will be very wellcome and appreciated. Thanks in advance for your helpful cooperation. Jose Angel Bermell. ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt/lrflex.htm Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/