[jhb] Re: Quadrants

  • From: "Frank Fisher" <ffisher991@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:56:30 +0100

Gerry
By an odd coincident, I tried my secondary quadrant last night, and lo and behold, it is working again on all three levers. So I set that up as engine controls, and closed down the main. Swopped the units around phyically, so the levers are nearest. What I did previous to that, was copy the control.xml, as it is rewritten with every use. Strange that the unit was giving a lot of grief a few months ago, and now working again, after being shut down(the levers being disabled only) What I have been doing to set up, is clearing out all reference to the controllers, excepting the keyboard entries. Restarting, then redoing the axis/buttons as needed. And only the ones needed. So I am back again to a single working engine controller for the single/twin AC. But I still have those 12 configured buttons to use.
I will have another look re the mouse option.

Frank
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Winskill" <gwinsk@xxxxxxx>
To: <jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:31 PM
Subject: [jhb] Re: Quadrants


I had a similar problem, caused by a couple of controls fighting each
other. Go to Options, Settings, Controls. Click where it says Saitek
Quadrant and a list of the various units is unfolded. In addition to
Saitek Pro Flight Quadant, mine also lists CH Pro Rudder Pedals and CH
FLIGHT SIM YOKE USB. Check each one to make sure only the Quadrant is
controlling Throttle, Prop and Mixture, or whatever. In my case I found
one of the three levers on top of the CH Yoke was also still assigned to
the throttle function.

Worse, included in the list are Mouse Yoke and Mouse Look. If they are
in your list check that they don't have any lever assignments active.

If you have duplicate assignments then that produces exactly the type of
bouncing etc that you describe.

Gerry Winskill

Frank Fisher wrote:
Tried everything, even deleted the registry entries as per Saitek
instructions. As far as FSUIPC, I have the registered version, but
baulked at trying to set it up.
Basically, moving the lever slowly and smoothly, the lever on the
screen, and the power output of the aircraft is plain erratic, suddenly
jumps to full power, then back to idle, then bounces. And that is when
trying to do it slow. Leaving the lever in one position, it sort of
settles down, but just touch it, and it is away again.
Makes it rather difficult to taxi, and get a smooth approach. Once on
cruise, it is a little easier to set the levers to the required settings.
I suspect the carbon tracks are knackered, as it is all to easy for dust
to collect inside the unit, and you cannot get inside without surgery.
It is not my machine or OS or FSX, as plugging in another joystick is no
problem at all.
I am waiting on Saitek to come back, but they have
reorganized/outsourced their response department

Frank
----- Original Message ----- From: "Fossil" <fossil@xxxxxxx>
To: <jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:55 PM
Subject: [jhb] Re: Quadrants


I presume you've tried a recalibration, both in the Windows control panel
and in FSUIPC (if you still run this)?

bones
bones@xxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Frank Fisher
Sent: 21 April 2010 16:44
To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb] Re: Quadrants

My pedals are plugged direct into the back of the machine. The yoke
direct
into the front or back. The main controller is plugged into the Yoke, via
mini round plug, the secondary, a standard USB plug, either into the
front
or back, or the yoke.
Would have been better if the main controller had a USB plug as well.
Plugging in other joysticks, they are steady as a rock. The fact that
it is
only the one lever, which is the most used, which is causing the problem.
I do not think the life cycle of those carbon sliders is very high.
As I recall, I had no problem with either, before reinstalling Vista a
fair
while ago. Only since then.
Perhaps an upgrade to Win7 will do the trick, or not as the case may be.
Or perhaps deleting all the Hub devices in the device manager, and let
Windows recreate them would help. There is a lot of them.

Frank
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Winskill" <gwinsk@xxxxxxx>
To: <jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: [jhb] Re: Quadrants


Mine are both fine. I thought they were going downhill, a couple of
months ago, coincident with the change to W7. Eventually I sorted them
out, by a mixture of uninstall followed by reinstall, plus changing the
USB Hub into which they were plugged. I think it was the last move that
cured them, so it would be worth trying this first. Best bet might be to
try plugging one of them directly into a USB socket on the PC, then see
how it behaves.

The downside of a large number of USB connected addons seems to be
unwanted interaction. Occasionally I find that changing something like
an ADF frequency can also result in a change in my GF Autopilot's
Altitude setting.

Gerry Winskill

Frank Fisher wrote:
I have just fired off an email to Saitek regarding my ProFlight
Throttle
quadrants.

The secondary quadrant, a few months back, developed a fault, namely
the
throttle and mixture levers were giving out an unstable output, and
basically unusable. It is now in use solely for the buttons which is
controlling my AC electrics, Gens/Batt/Starter etc.

Now the main throttle is going the same way, unstable and bouncing
outputs.

These units are just over 2 years old, with reasonable use, mainly for
GA and some jets, for Helios, I use a Saitek twiststick.

A careful examination inside, reveals the lever controllers, are
constructed using open to the atmosphere carbon sliders, instead of the
more usual, and more robust, rotary pots. Ok, so the units are smaller
for that.

I imagine that dust has filtered inside and on to the carbon face, and
then wiped by the slider, which has gradually worn off the face,
reducing electrical contact. A very poor design.

I am now faced with the prospect of replacing said controllers, sooner
rather than later than expected. The Yoke and Pedals are A1.

Depending on Saiteks response.

Replacement controllers. Saitek? Costing?
Replacement controllers CH? Costing?
Or dig out my soldering iron, and replace the pots with sealed rotary
ones. A new housing for the larger pots will be needed of course.

Anyone else with Saitek throttle controllers, beware. I got mine from
Pixmania, so I am not expecting a good response from Saitek.

I am not a happy bunny.

Frank





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