Gerry, If you're getting the boot device menu then you are hitting F8 a tad too early. I have to wait until the POST (power on self test) has completed and the boot device selected. In my case it's when the screen first goes blank on boot up. If you get the boot menu, select the default drive then press F8 again once it starts the boot sequence. Another way (though not recommended), is to press the reset button during the boot. This will initiate a soft reboot but should also cause windoze to recognise an incomplete boot happened last time and bring up the menu to allow safe mode start up to correct any potential errors that may have led to the reset (it's not intelligent enough to know you caused it). This method is not recommended because it might lead to data loss during the soft reset. Paul -----Original Message----- From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Barrett Sent: 14 May 2007 18:47 To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jhb] Re: Help!! Gerry, Lets stick with getting you into safe mode for the moment. For me F8 also produces boot device list. However F10 gets me into the OS selection menu, its a mobo thing. I don't keep mine but do you have your manual to hand? Or google your Mobo and see what pops up. Alex Gerry Winskill wrote: Hi Alex, I can see this is going to be a minefield! First problem. Allegedly, when I press F8 during bootup, I should get the message " Please select the operating system to start", at which point I highlight SAFE Mode and press Enter. In fact F8 just produces a list of Boot Devices: 1st Floppy Drive HDD: PM-WDC WD2500JS-60NCB1 HDD: SM-WDC WD740GD-00FLCO HDD:3M-WDC WD1600AAJS-00PSAO IDE:LITE-ON DVDRW SHM-165P6S In fact it boots from the first HDD. There's no mention of Safe mode. Next I tried to run Driver Cleaner 3. The list of Nvidia related entries is: nForce Chipset nVidia nVidia Stereo nVidia WDM Since I've no idea wht they do I've not a clue as to which to "clean". Sorry to be obtuse but I'm a long time member of the religeon. Gerry Winskill Alex Barrett wrote: Hopefully this should sort you out Gerry. However Drivers should always be removed from within Safe Mode only, you might want to give that a try first: http://forums.majorgeeks.com/archive/index.php/t-19587.html Alex Gerry Winskill wrote: I'm off for a walk, to give the grey cells time to recover. THE 8800GTX card has just arrived. The first installation step is to remove the existing drivers, via Control Panel. This I did but the screen looked unchanged so I did a restart. It was still unchanged. Going via the scree and Properties route I arrived at the drivers page and opted to uninstal. It refused, on the grounds that the driver is required to boot up the computer. Any ideas folks? BTW it weigh a ton and is going to be a tight fit. Gerry Winskill -- Alex Barrett Turbine Sound Studios (+44) 0121 288 3195 alex@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.turbinesoundstudios.com -- Alex Barrett Turbine Sound Studios (+44) 0121 288 3195 alex@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.turbinesoundstudios.com