Hi you seem to have a program loaded at start up that brings a unknown control in to focus with an app main window with out a real window. Ok a real window is any window with a title. Pressing a key to interact with the shell seems to cause this rather odd behaved program to run in the back ground where it belongs. Hth -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of nicol Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:14 AM To: Jfw Subject: something strange after my computer started HI I'm using windows xp professional service pack 2. After my computer started I'm suppose to be on the desktop but if I press insert+t jaws remains silent. If I then press insert+f1 jaws says: jaws may not recognize this control. If I press tab then I'm on the desktop. Jaws is only suppose to say this if I'm in an application which doesn't has standard controls, whose controls is custom. This cause no problem for me, I'm just curious as to why jaws says: jaws may not recognize this control, if I press insert+f1 just after my computer started after I find that insert+t says nothing? It seems as if jaws couldn't at that moment recognize that I'm on the desktop so maybe it's a bug in jaws, but as I say this only happens after my computer started. If my computer is booting up and then jaws says: jaws for windows is ready and I hear the tune playing to let me know windows is up and running, then after that tune played I wait a moment for jaws to say that I'm on the desktop, but then jaws says nothing and its then when I press insert+t that jaws says nothing and if I then press insert+f1 jaws says: jaws may not recognize this control. If it is that no window has focus, then jaws should rather say: no window is active. But seemingly this is another type of non focus which jaws sees as a custom control not defined in its window classes. Btw I'm using jaws7, at this stage I can't afford jaws8. -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/842 - Release Date: 6/9/2007 10:46 AM -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx