We also create boxes for all known contacts, then when something new comes in, it lands in the Inbox and immediately subject to scrutinty. We use a program called Pocketknife peek to examine the letter without actually "opening" it and if it is spam, it gets deleted. Most are obvious from the subject line or sender and they get deleted right away. We may lose some good ones, but what the heck? That's why good subject lines are so important. Very little is repeat spam, so creating filters does not work too well. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jerry Neufeld Sent: January 18, 2006 10:13 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: real spam Good morning folks. To my knowledge, there is absolutely no fool-proof way to block spam with either Outlook Express or Outlook via message rules handling. Although one can write as many rules as one wishes for incoming documents with specific attributes, it is impossible to know in advance what many such messages may look like in terms of from lines or subject line content. Our ISP, Rogers AT&T here in Canada helps by attempting to identify spam and labeling subject lines with the word [bulk] within brackets. But, for reasons mentioned, some bulk messages are ones we want, most not, and many spam messages get through their detection system. The only fool-proof system I know of is to subscribe to annoying spam filter systems which blocks all incoming mail that has not been previously authorized by the user, resulting in annoying delays and messages that often never get received. Cheers, Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Judith Bron To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: Re: real spam I can understand these rules but how will the computer know when such a spam message shows upp? Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: RCZ Enterprise To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:14 AM Subject: Re: real spam Hello! To create a particular rule: 1. I assumed that you still have the old message of the SPAM. 2. Open the message. 3. Once it is open, press Alt + M, and look for the "Create rule from message...." 4. There is a combo boxes which you will going to make a specific rule for your messages. 5. Don't do any modification to the first list. Press Alt + A, to set the commands. 6. If you want to move the message to a specified folder, choose the first item in the lists. But, if you want to delete automatically the SPAM message, just look for the delete message option in that lists. 7. Once you found it, just press your space bar to check it. 8. Press tab key once and press your down arrow key, to review your rules. If the first item was selected, "Move it to the specified folder", you need to assign a folder. Pressing enter on the selected description will allow you to choose the folder. 9. Once you are done, press tab key once, and type "SPAM rule". 10. Tab to the ok button and hit your space bar. HTH Roden E-mail: d_zalameda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN Messenger: rodenzal@xxxxxxxxxxx Yahoo Messenger: r112478 Skype name: rodenzal ----- Original Message ----- From: Judith Bron To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:37 AM Subject: Re: real spam Roden, I'm using Outlook Express 6. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: RCZ Enterprise To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: Re: real spam Hello Judith! Are you using Outlook Express or Ms. Outlook? What version of this email client do you have? Regards, Roden d_zalameda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Our Internet Gateway protects RCZ Enterprise and INTRACOM Philippines ----- Original Message ----- From: Judith Bron To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: Re: real spam Thanks Rodin, If these are advertisements why aren't they in a language that people can read? Like I said, it wasn't English, German, French or Spanish. I also know enough Hebrew to know that this wasn't the language either. How do you create the rule that will delete these messages from the inbox? Thanks, Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: RCZ Enterprise To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:53 AM Subject: Re: real spam Hello Judith! SPAMS are commercial adds from the internet. I suggest that delete all your SPAM messages and you can create a rule which will delete your SPAM message automatically. Regards, Roden d_zalameda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Our Internet Gateway protects RCZ Enterprise and INTRACOM Philippines ----- Original Message ----- From: Judith Bron To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:43 AM Subject: real spam I have been getting these emails that consist of a lot of letters. If it is a foreign language that I am not familiar with please forgive me but to the best of my knowledge it is not German, French or Spanish. So far today I have blocked at least three senders. Is anyone else having these problems? I have no clue as to where these spams are originating. Thanks, Judith