RE: onmouse over
- From: "Kathleen A. Millhoff" <kmilhoff@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:07:37 +1000
Hi,
Well, I just looked at the time posted for my message, and I can assure you
it was actually late Thursday afternoon when I wrote it here in the western
Pacific.
I enjoyed reading this explanation and now offer an idea to you as well as
all listers. And, List Moderator, I'm hoping this isn't too far afield from
topic.
Braille readers must be linear in perspective. It's just not possible to
access a braille page of info, no matter the dexterity and speed of the
reader, as with print. The, too, information access for the blind person
doesn't necessarily employ the visual cortext in the same manner as a print
reader.
Why should I care? Well, it makes me wonder, and I hope others might
consider this as well, whether most of us want to weed out more information
than we should just because we're used to processing smaller units at a
time.
It's just a thought.
As far as the assertion that we should want to get as much out of the
flexibility and applicability of Jaws as possible - how can it be disputed?
Also, and maybe the FS engineers can answer this best, is a consideration of
speech access as opposed to refreshable braille access important enough to
warrant more than one mode for Jaws operations? I am still thinking now
about why many people might be turning off features which might otherwise
provide information about the screen and the options available to the user.
Thanks for reading and thanks for helping.
best,
kat
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of david poehlman
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:14 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: onmouse over
I've changed the topic <nothing against the poster of the message below
mine>, so that we can discuss this in its fullness.
I am with you. I don't understand why people would not want to hear
information which is so important as to be possibly vital almost as vital
infact as hearing link or checkbox or radio button or button... I have seen
complaints to web masters from people who turn off everything and then
wonder why the site doesn't work for them. Yes, the flexibility available
in jaws is tantamount to daunting but it should be used with a lot of
thought. One of the things I like regarding the flexibility of jaws is the
myriad ways to go through a page, you can use find for specific strings, you
can use link lists, element lists, headings lists, jump from text block to
text block, link to link, list to list, table to table, so many in fact I'd
have to look them all up to publish them here.
If you look in the references for web site development, you'll find a lot of
information about "onmouseover". It is important that we get to know this
as well as we get to know any other fascette of a web page at the level of
the anchor or button etc because as time goes buy, till all is transformed
into something entirely different which will be inaccessible to jaws, we'll
increasingly need to use it. It is also possible that jaws will improve the
interface for it such that we can set it to show the changes in the same
space or announce that there are no changes or announce only those links
with Onmouseover which produce changes.
I hope this has helped because this is entirely the cause of this writing
before 7 am in the morning edt.
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathleen A. Millhoff" <kmilhoff@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:58 AM
Subject: RE: mouse over links
Hi, Interesting.
I've enjoyed reading this, but wondered why, if possible, people would want
to turn this feature off. Doesn't its existence provide necessary
information to understanding of a web site? I don't know enough to
understand all the facets of this discussion, but I usually want as much
info as possible and the mouse over links don't seem to interfere with what
I need to do.
Thanks.
best,
kat
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of david poehlman
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:51 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: mouse over links
the answer I provided was not useless nor was it a non answer. It was and
still is and will remain till we are told otherwise, the correct answer to
the question. For one thing, the turning on and off of on mouse over links
is not even a subject for discussion on this list which is why I posted my
explanation which you no doubt have seen by now. For another, We had this
discussion a few days ago and it was carried in two threads. The correct
term for this element attribute is on mouse over and the correct term for
the question is how do I stop jaws from indicating element attributes?
Since however, the question posed was: "how do I turn off mouse over links,
examining it provides a non sequetor but I deduced that the question was
actually: "how do I turn off on mouse over links?" To which I still
respond, it is not currently possible to do this in jaws, but you might want
to suggest that it be provided as a function in a future version of jaws.
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Toews" <coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: mouse over links
Then instead of giving a useless nonanswer to the question, I suggest that
if you would rather not concern yourself wth a question that you just
delete the queston and move on.
Bruce
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, david poehlman wrote:
> yes, but it was exaustively discussed a few days ago.
>
> Johnnie Apple Seed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Toews" <coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:51 AM
> Subject: Re: mouse over links
>
>
> Yes, but you know what was meant by the question.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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