regarding my last post i would like to say that i have managed to find a way to have msn messenger sign me in every time without any problems. i had to make sure that internet explorer didn't auto run when i switched my pc on. when the system boots up i select msn messenger and it says sign in because i don't have the internet connected. in the options within msn messenger i have selected the option to have messenger run when the internet is connected. so i minimize msn messenger to the taskbar and then go about connecting to the internet as usual, by using the start menu and selecting internet explorer. once the internet is connected so is msn. this works every time for me and i don't have a clue why this exact sequence works but it does. of course i would like to have msn messenger and the internet available whenever i switch the pc on but in this case needs must. thankyou to everyone who read and replied to my original post and hope this helps others out there. stephen --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx