Re: "bullet"
- From: "Dale Leavens" <dleavens@xxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:17:32 -0400
This is the reason we are going to Word, the more or less monopoly of =
MS. Unfortunately we have a few who will not make the change =
complicating life by preparing items in WordPerfect then saving them out =
as .PDF and sending them around in that form. This complicates my world =
even further.
Does anyone know how to make Adobe Reader read across a line when it =
assumes it to be columns? I am getting minutes where the items are =
numbered in the left column, the content indented. When Adobe Reader =
sees them it reads me the list of numbers, not all the list but some =
part of it then the paragraphs which no now longer relate to the numbers =
then goes back to reading the list of numbers, much as though it was =
reading the document as a two column document.
Thanks.
Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
DLeavens@xxxxxxx
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.=20
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From: "Cy" <cselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: "bullet"
> Dale,
> I am afraid that the sighted world does not face some of these issues
> because they can "see" what the stupid screen looks like.
> It sometimes take Hudini to figure out what happened to your document!
> I used to be a Wordperfect Loyalist but had to give it up because of
> formatting incompatibilities with Word, the program used by my =
company.
> Now I am too far gone to go back...
> I might suggest some cognac or other libation to sooth jangled nerves.
> Cy, the Ancient Okie..
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Dale Leavens
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:44 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: "bullet"
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> So, my question is:
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> How did anyone ever figure the end user would prefer to have this =3D
> interference from their word processor?
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> We are presently having a very difficult time getting people to move =
to
> =3D MS-Word from WordPerfect because of these autoformatting issues =
and
> the =3D way in which Word handles or rather doesn't handle tables.
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> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
> DLeavens@xxxxxxx
> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear =
habitat.=3D20
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> From: "Debbie Kessler" <jessesgirl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: "bullet"
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> > Hi Judith;
> > If you are editing a document sent to you from someone else, you =
won't
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> > =3D
> necessarily know what their settings were in their Word application. =
You
> =3D can turn off automatic bulleted and automatic numbered lists under
> auto =3D format which will help you. Remember that the "space" after =
any
> text =3D contains the formatting of that previous text. For example: =
if I
> have a =3D title that is bolded, underlined, and size 20 font =
Somewhere in
> my =3D document. Then I have several blank lines and or spaces. My =
lower
> text =3D is not bolded, underlined, and is a 14 size font. I place my
> cursor at =3D the beginning of the lower text and backspace all the =
way
> back to the =3D title. Hope you are following me. Now, I want to come =
down
> one line, so =3D I press the "ENTER key and move my text to the next =
line.
> I have =3D succeeded in getting rid of any extra spaces and lines; but =
any
> text I =3D type at this point will have the bold, underline, and font =
size
> of 20 in =3D that text. Because blind people move their cursor around =
to
> hear what is =3D
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> > happening, they face this problem more than sighted persons. I will =
=3D
> often backspace back to and delete a period of a previous sentence, =
just
> =3D to get rid of any extra spaces or lines. I then just put the =
period
> back =3D in. But, if that previous line had different formatting than =
any
> text I =3D might type at this point will have picked up on that =
previous =3D
> formatting. In the example I gave above, I would then turn off the =
bold,
> =3D underline, and change the font size to my desired size. You know, =
with
> =3D "ctrl + B" and "ctrl + U" before typing any additional text. So, =
to =3D
> answer your question as to how a bullet or number gets there. If you =
=3D
> didn't inadvertently put one there then I would ask if you are looking =
=3D
> at a document prepared by someone else. There is a shortcut key to =
turn
> =3D on bullets of which I cannot recall at the moment. But, you would =
=3D
> normally have to make an effort to bullet something and so you would =
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> definitely know about it.=3D20
> > If you are up and down arrowing so that jaws reads the line and you =
=3D
> hear that there is a number or bullet that was put in from the auto =
=3D
> format, you will not hear it by moving the cursor over it with your =
left
> =3D and right arrows. This has something to do with how the auto =
format is
> =3D set up and jaws cannot see this number or bullet. If turning off =
auto
> =3D format is not an option, when you enter to add another line of =
text, =3D
> check by having jaws read line to make sure there are no new numbers =
or
> =3D bullets. If you hear one you do not want, press backspace and read
> your =3D line again with the read line keystroke. If you backspace all =
the
> way =3D back to the previous line, and press enter again, you will =
pick up
> on =3D the previous formatting again, hence putting that number or =
bullet
> back =3D in.=3D20
> > Good checking keys are: jaws read line, jaws read attributes, and =
jaws
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> > =3D
> read line and column of carrot.=3D20
> > If turning off auto formatting is not an issue, then do that because =
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> it will save you from having to pay for headache medication.=3D20
> > If this is not clear, which I fear, please let me know. Debbie &=20
> >Jesse
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> > From: Judith Bron=3D20
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:03 AM
> > Subject: "bullet"
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> > On one of my manuscripts the word "bullet" has shown up before one =
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> of my subsections. I always took this to mean another form of a link =
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> but this is not a link. Is there a way to get rid of this word? Does =
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> it mean anything? Thanks, Judith
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