Chris,
Oh. Okay, so it's a very, very basic thing that isn't working right! I
see.
it's related to very normal, fundamental tasks like writing an email or
reading one. Wow. No, I don't just know this stuff as you say everybody
does. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm just saying I forget these things when
I
don't have to think about them, even though I keep up my Jaws skills and
am
not like a computer newbie or anything like that. But you've reminded me.
The video card and its signals are essentially what Jaws is working with.
In
this sense it's all visual, just as it looks like to a sighted computer
user. Not "graphical," as we say.
Thanks. Sorry to sound stupid. I'm not totally stupid, just not
technically
astute-sounding. grin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Strange JAWS 10 issue
Ok. I was writing my message, and I am now, using a standard edit field
you
find in Outlook Express. There's no forms mode involved. As I arrow line
by
line I can read it fine. I can also read it fine when arrowing using the
JAWS cursor. The video card is hardware that sends text and graphics to
the
screen, as we all know. JAWS (and other screen readers that use similar
drivers) intercepts what's being sent from the video card and thus
interprets what's being sent. If the driver isn't present, or it's
corrupted
or something, then JAWS can't intercept things like this edit field or
what's currently on the screen using the JAWS cursor.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Strange JAWS 10 issue
Chris,
I'm not sure I understand your answer. Best I can imagine, it sounds as
if
the problem is that when you're in an edit field, Forms Mode doesn't
work,
so if you want to be able to type something there you switch to the Jaws
cursor? I never encountered such a problem or had to try such a solution.
Anyway, when you restart your computer and everything in the jaws
programming falls back into place, then does something like this behave
normally and announce that it's an edit field, and allow you to go into
Forms Mode? Or does the kind of edit field you're talking about never
present itself as an edit field in the first place, except that you know
it
is, somehow, and deal with it using the Jaws cursor?
lastly, why is the term video or video card involved? Is that just a
normal
part of jaws operation, or does it mean that this type of edit field is a
graphic, not an HTML-coded screen element? If my question isn't clear to
you, I won't mind if someone else replies, someone who's familiar with
this
sort of issue. I'm not trying to hassle you. I just don't understand the
reply very well but I might if it were written a little differently.
Thanks very much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Strange JAWS 10 issue
Sure. Now, I could just navigate, using the JAWS cursor, what I'm
writing.
I
can also read back what I'm writing in this edit field. If I unload and
reload JAWS, however, I can do none of this. This is why I think it's a
video intercept issue, as the video intercept driver intercepts text
being
sent from the graphics card to the computer.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Strange JAWS 10 issue
Chris,
I am sorry that I don't know enough about this sort of thing to offer
you
any advice, but I do hope you can tell me something. I don't know
anything
at all about the phrase "video intercept," though I vaguely remember it
has
something to do with how jaws picks up information from coding and
renders
it into speech. But I'm just saying that. I think it's obvious that I
don't
get what's going on with this thing at all.
That confession made, may I ask how you know there's a video intercept
problem that you're now troubled by? By which I mean, how does it
manifest
itself? This is not a sophisticated question requiring complicated
discussion. I am simply asking if you wouldn't mind describing what goes
wrong for you when you use Jaws after exiting it and restarting it,
without
rebooting the system, as you say? What happens that's wrong? And what
about
this tells you it's a video intercept issue?
again, I'm looking for basic education. Not arguing about anything. Hope
that's clear. And sorry about the hassle you're having.
Joel
From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:30 AM
Subject: Strange JAWS 10 issue
Hello all,
I'm using the latest JAWS 10 running under Windows XP Home Edition SP3.
The
computer is a Dell Dimention DIM2400 desktop PC which is owned by my
father
for all of us to use. The problem is that JAWS works as expected,
however
when I unload and reload, JAWS behaves as if no video intercept was
installed and will behave this way until I restart the PC. I looked at
the
video intercept information, and all appears to be well. Does anyone
know
what's going on here? If this helps I'm using a guest account rather
than
my
own administrative account.
Please advise.
Thanks.
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