Re: Preview of JAWS 12
- From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:39:16 +0200
to me the fact that I can operate computer without taking it out in public
means that it is less liekely that someone will steal it. People recognize a
computer and may try to snach it but the straange looking device called braille
display who cares noone will steal it.
Zdenek
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@xxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: Preview of JAWS 12
> You'd better know it. IT departments are notoriously conservative, and with
> good reason.
>
> That Braille contraction thing seems a little strange. I don't know about
> anyone else, but I had to work at not putting Brailleisms in my typing. Once
> in a blue moon, I'll still accidentally stick a contraction in there. If
> you're going to operate on two levels, I've found it better to keep them
> compartmentalized, and mutually exclusive. That having been said, just
> because a feature is there doesn't mean any particular person has to use it,
> and I guess contractions could speed typing a bit.
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Adrian Spratt
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:09 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Preview of JAWS 12
>
> I think we can safely put this concern to rest. The main purchasers of FS
> applications are large organizations, and within that group the largest
> subset is government offices. Many government offices have been unable to
> spend money for a couple of years, so I assume they're still relying heavily
> on XP. That's one set of customers FS isn't willing to lose.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Farfar Carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:50 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
>
> I seriously doubt that support for XP will stop. I suspect that they will
> stop making changes and fixes for XP-related issues, but that's pretty much
> par for the course.
>
> We'll just have to wait, and in the meantime, speculation runs rampant.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yadiel" <yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:18
> Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
>
>
> Hello again everyone:
>
>
> I've heard it mention here and I really want some opinions. Is FS going to
> take out the support for XP? Also, how does JFW works with windows 7? I'm
> looking to upgrade my computer. And it seems that if FS takes out the
> support for XP I'll do it anyways. Any tips and tricks for win 7?
>
>
> Yadiel
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Yadiel" <yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:06 PM
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
>
>> Hello everyone:
>>
>>
>> Consider me old school, but I love the 2003 and earlier menu view. I hate
>> the ribbon and how you interact with it. I think that FS is doing a great
>> job by creating that "virtual ribbon". It will make it easier for peaple
>> like me to interact with 2007 and 2010 programs. But here's my problem. It
>> is called a "virtual ribbon". How are we suppose to work with it. It is
>> still a ribbon. Isn't it? If anybody has already jaws 12 can you explain
>> this to me? I'm quite lost here.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
>>
>>> Hmmmh. I'd like to see Jaws behave itself when it encounters the
>>> ribbon in other non-microsoft applications that incorporate the
>>> ribbon. Apparently, there are lots of developers out there who are
>>> crazy about the ribbon interface and consider themselves as being
>>> "hip"; "up with the times"; modern, when they put it in their apps
>>> using something like c-sharp and the windows forms features of visual
>>> studio dot net. I have yet to encounter an application that was not
>>> made by microsoft whose ribbon interface was accessible. Has anyone
>>> experienced anything to the contrary? It is appalling to me that this
>>> should be so three years after the interface has been around. I am
>>> sick and tired of having to use outdated methods of interfacing with
>>> software because A.T. vendors can't keep up. How many years was
>>> Windows out before we could migrate to it from DOS? I think it was
>>> like 1996 or something before something truly viable came out as a
>>> screen reader and that was already after windows 3.1, 3.11 and Windows
>>> 95 had come out. Look at Apple's macIntosh computers. A
>>> little-remembered factoid for you guys not old enough to have messed
>>> with pc's in the mid 80's is that Apple computers were among the first
>>> to be usable by a blind person. There was something called an Echo2
>>> which was a speaker that plugged into something else called an Apple
>>> II E computer. This worked as a speech synthesizer and then you'd run
>>> a program called Bex (Oh, lord but that was a horrible program and the
>>> speech output was just horrrid! Horrid!) but, you could write
>>> documents and such with it. Us kids thought we were regular geeks
>>> using it! When apple released the MacIntosh, however, noone cared to
>>> make it accessible. No blind person could use it until Apple
>>> themselves coded a built-in screen reader. Nobody else cared to
>>> tackle it even though it's one of the most user-friendly operating
>>> systems ever to hit the market.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the ribbon interface other developers can code into the system
>>> is dependent on UIA and it's hard to use because Jaws poorly supports
>>> it. I hope this also is something that changes in Jaws 12. Pardon my
>>> rant.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day and thanks for the post.
>>> alex M
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/3/10, Delaunay Christophe <christophe.delaunay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Several things may help you get what sighted people see on your screen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (1) Turn off virtual cursor. With real cursor, you won't get anything
>>>> outside the screen.
>>>>
>>>> (2) Pres <insert+v>. Then, arrow down to "Document presentation". In
>>>> the
>>>> tree view on the left of the screen, this item is just under "General
>>>> options". Then press the space bar to hear "Screen layout" and <enter>
>>>> to
>>>> save your settings. This time, you have a quite poor geometric
>>>> representation of the screen layout but if what you want is to "see"
>>>> what
>>>> sighted people see, it's better than nothing.
>>>>
>>>> (3) If you have a braille display, put it in "line" mode and "8
>>>> pixles
>>>> per space". This way, the braille display presents the text like it is
>>>> written on the screen. Of course, it is far from being perfect yet but
>>>> you
>>>> can definitely know which part of text is above or below which other.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know that we are far yet from what Papenmeier did with their famous
>>>> WinDOTS screen reader for windows 3.11 but who cares really? Seems that
>>>> nobody does because WinDOTS was a real flop.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HTH. Have a nice day. Chris D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> rom: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Cy Selfridge
>>>> Sent: mardi 3 août 2010 14:36
>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: Preview of JAWS 12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gerald,
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of the workplace one thing I would *really* like to see is JAWS
>>>> actually reading what is on the screen as viewed by the Sightlings.
>>>> (LOL)
>>>>
>>>> Even with JAWS 11 folks ask "where on Earth is JAWS reading fromn?".
>>>>
>>>> Cy, The Anasazi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Gerald Levy
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:50 AM
>>>> To: JFW list
>>>> Subject: Preview of JAWS 12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's a brief preview of JAWS 12 I just came across:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> by Curtis Chong
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In early July, I attended a three-hour session conducted by Freedom
>>>> Scientific during which the company provided a sneak preview of JAWS for
>>>> Windows Version
>>>> 12. Freedom Scientific has been working on this newest release of JAWS
>>>> for
>>>> more than a year, and it is hoped that JAWS 12 will be released before
>>>> the
>>>> end
>>>> of 2010.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Long-time JAWS users will be interested to know that in JAWS 12, Freedom
>>>> Scientific proposes to replace the familiar JAWS Configuration Manager
>>>> with
>>>> something
>>>> called the Settings Center. In the Settings Center, you can search for
>>>> the
>>>> setting that you want to change and then simply make the change. It is
>>>> no
>>>> longer
>>>> necessary to explore a variety of menus to track down where, for
>>>> example,
>>>> you can change the level of punctuation that JAWS speaks or increase the
>>>> speaking
>>>> rate of JAWS. Also, in the Settings Center, your last 25 changes will be
>>>> displayed at the bottom of the tree view, making it easier for you to
>>>> fix a
>>>> setting
>>>> that might have been adjusted incorrectly or adjust settings that you
>>>> change
>>>> frequently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another feature included in JAWS 12 is the ability to operate your
>>>> computer
>>>> from the Braille keyboard of any connected refreshable Braille display.
>>>> Using
>>>> the Braille keys, you can enter any character that would be entered
>>>> through
>>>> a standard QWERTY keyboard, and this includes all JAWS commands as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, a proficient Grade II Braille user will be able to enter text in
>>>> contracted Braille and have the result reverse-translated on the fly. I
>>>> do
>>>> not see
>>>> much value in this feature for me, personally, but I hesitate to
>>>> criticize
>>>> the investment in time and effort that has been made by Freedom
>>>> Scientific;
>>>> I simply do not know how many Braille users out there have been longing
>>>> to
>>>> operate their computer from a Braille keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The final noteworthy feature in JAWS 12 is the ability to use a Virtual
>>>> Ribbon in Microsoft Office. Some blind computer users have expressed
>>>> frustration
>>>> with the ribbon that has been incorporated into Microsoft Office 2007
>>>> and
>>>> now into Office 2010. What Freedom Scientific is proposing for JAWS 12
>>>> is to
>>>> give the Office user the choice of whether to use the ribbon as is or to
>>>> use
>>>> the Virtual Ribbon provided by JAWS. This Virtual Ribbon provides a user
>>>> experience
>>>> that feels more like the traditional menus with which a lot of people
>>>> are
>>>> familiar. Time will tell whether this feature is worth the investment.
>>>> As
>>>> for
>>>> me, since I feel quite comfortable with the Office ribbon as it is, I
>>>> will
>>>> probably choose not to use the JAWS Virtual Ribbon that comes with JAWS
>>>> 12.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In all, JAWS 12 seems like a bit of an improvement over JAWS 11.
>>>> Certainly,
>>>> Freedom Scientific has incorporated some new features which some people
>>>> will
>>>> like. As for me, I would wish for features in JAWS which make it easier
>>>> for
>>>> blind people to compete in the workplace-something which Freedom
>>>> Scientific
>>>> seems to have lost sight of over the years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gerald
>>>>
>>>>
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