Alan, I also used Outspoken in the early 90s. You are almost correct, Outspoken made the Mac *almost* useable. (LOLLOLLOL) Compared to what we have today it was very basic to say the least. That is actually why I migrated to the DOS/Windows machines. I believe the first speech software I used on a DOS machine was Artic and used a Symphonics 215 speech board. It was also pretty limited but better than Outspoken. I wish I had the guts to just switch back to a Mac and leave all this W7, JAWS 11 and so on behind. (LOL) Cy, The Anasazi. From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan Clendinen Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:45 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: re: Preview of JAWS 12 Actually this is not accurate. I was using a Macintosh back in 1991 by using a screen-reader app named "OutSpoken" which was produced by Berkley Systems. This was years before Apple introduced their own built-in screen-reader app in OS X, and after they did, it killed off all the third-party screen-reader applications. Alan Alex M wrote: "No blind person could use it until Apple themselves coded a built-in screen reader."