Sorry to interject this out of order, but I just realized what Dean says below as he begins his contribution. For those for whom batch files would be a hassle? I don't see where that's a problem. And not because I used DOS PC's for more than ten years before migrating, as they say, to Windows, so that things like batch files are familiar to me. All a batch file is is a series of nested commands that call each other automatically so you don't have to invoke them yourself, one by one. But that's not even the point. Which is, both these approaches to exterminating Jaws (presumably for the offense of misspeaking and escaping the control of the user, like Hal in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey) involve setting something up (an icon, a shortcut, a hotkey) to invoke one file or another that will cause Jaws to unload properly. Making them equivalent from the user's position. So I don't se the distinction, in that sense. Which is okay with me, seeing as how it turns out that an XP Home user like me doesn't have available that file Dean refers to, anyway. It's all been interesting. This is one of those instances where I'd have given anything for just a single clearly written paragraph explaining the purpose of Insert Windows key F4, advising that there are times when even it won't work in the emergencies for which it's (I presume) intended, and providing a batch file called Kill Bill or Kill Yawawa and explaining how to set it up. Ack. I'm laughing only at myself, so don't anybody start ragging on me, please. This is one of those threads I wish I'd never even noticed and become curious about. I wasn't having an "issue" with this sort of situation, anyway. My bad for finally giving in and opening one of the Kill Jawawa posts. Sigh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ryan Perdue" <ryan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:14 AM Subject: Re: KillJaws, another approach I haven't found it to be any different than the built in key but, that may be just me. I appreciate the built in key though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Martineau" <dean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: RE: KillJaws, another approach > For those who don't know about batch files and don't want to learn, you > can > achieve gaining easy access to KillJaws through Windows techniques. > > 1. Navigate to C:\Windows\System32/taskkill.exe, use tie application key, > choose Send To, and choose Desktop Create Shortcut. > > Now on the desktop, you'll have a shortcut to Taskkill.exe. Hibghlight it > and press alt-enter. > > This brings up the properties of the shortcut. The first control of the > dialog box is an edit field to the path, and allows for adding parameters. > Press End to go to the end of the line, after the .exe, his space and then > paste or write /f /im jfw.exe Once you're done there you can tab twice and > create your hotkey, then press enter to save. Just another way. > > I haven't been following the thread, so I don't know if this has already > been answered: Is this process any better than using the built-in key in > JFW > 8 or 9, Jawskey+win+f4? > > Dean > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of RAWest > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:41 PM > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: KillJaws > > It is a line of code in a batch file you can create to clear jaws from > memory if there is a problem. > > echo off > > taskkill /F /IM jfw.exe > > Put that into notepad and save the file for example KillJaws.bat on to > your > desktop. > > I believe earlier versions of jaws when unloaded did not remove themselves > from memory. > > Robert > > > > > > To find me you can do the following. > > Skype id: rawest24 > > Aim id: rawest24 > > EMail: rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Yardbird > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:25 PM > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: KillJaws > > Gerald, > > I must have missed something. What is Kill Jaws? > > thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "JFW list" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:48 PM > Subject: KillJaws > > > > I just had a JAWS crash, and Kill Jaws worked like a charm. Very handy > when > > sighted assistance is not available. > > -- > JFW related links: > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ > Scripting mailing list: > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com > JFW List instructions: > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw > > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or > the > way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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