RE: Freedom Suing GW Micro
- From: "Larry Stansifer" <larrys@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:17:08 -0600
Folks,
No matter what we say or do, it won't change the current pissing contest
between FS and GW-Micro.
Let's just please get back to JAWS.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Chris Skarstad
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:53 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Freedom Suing GW Micro
Hi
Totally agree here. It's really sad. Instead of working to develop
JAWS, they have their lawyers out there trying to stomp the
competition in court.
I can understand patents and that they have to be respected but come
on! GW is using a totally different type of code base, and a whole
other way of doing what JAWS does in this regard. If someone had
*directly* stolen code then yes that's understandable, but this was
done in a totally different way, but does the same thing.
i've personally never used the placemarker feature, but even so, I
believe we're all in the same game here. We need to work together
rather than going about it in this way. Friendly competition is
great, but not like this.
At 06:14 PM 7/24/2008, you wrote:
>Karl,
>
>If you read the blog entry linked to in the messages posted to this
>list, you will see that the lawsuit is over a patent issue. FS is
>saying that GW Micro infringed on their PlaceMarker
>patent. According to the patent, when you use the JAWS PlaceMarker
>feature, the JAWS program counts the number of HTML tags on a web
>page down to the string of text that you marked. Then when you call
>up this PlaceMarker again, the program retrieves this information to
>find your PlaceMarker. If you've ever used this feature on a page
>that changed after you set a PlaceMarker, you know that their
>technique fails in this case. GW Micro's technique for locating a
>PlaceMarker is different since it doesn't fail when the page
>changes. Since they use a different method, it's hard to see how GW
>Micro is infringing on the FS patent.
>
>I think that FS would like to slow down the development of
>Window-Eyes. They hear footsteps behind them, and instead of running
>faster to keep ahead, they want to beat their competition over the
>head with a club. I had hoped that the increased competition of GW
>Micro would encourage FS to make a better product, but again they
>would rather spend their resources trying to crush their competitors in
court.
>
>Gary King
>w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Smith" <karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:23 PM
>Subject: RE: Freedom Suing GW Micro
>
>
>>I surely don't know the entire story behind this news but I do know
>>that FS and others certainly have to pay licensing fees for the
>>products they use from Microsoft and even the Braille translator in
>>JAWS. This may be something like that or it may not. Remember that
>>the only news we have heard is from GW Micro who, like it or not, is
>>far behind in the screen reading market. I don't say this to trash
>>the product as I think it is a good product written by smart and
>>caring people but the facts are the facts.
>>
>>Karl
>>
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>>Life is one dumb thing after another....Love is two dumb things after
>>each other.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>Behalf Of john.falter
>>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:57 PM
>>To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: Re: Freedom Suing GW Micro
>>
>>In software and manufacturing, many techniques are patented. GW micro
>>may have to pay for some license.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Orange"
>><Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <Jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Cc: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:52 PM
>>Subject: FW: Freedom Suing GW Micro
>>
>>
>>>I thought the JAWS users would be as interested in this development
>>>as anyone.
>>>
>>>It looks to me like blind users are the obvious losers here, if as is
>>>claimed, capabilities of a screen reader can be patented so that no
>>>other products to aid blind users can make use of them.
>>>
>>>Absolutely, unbelievable, and what a loss for us all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: gw-news@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gw-news@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:42 PM
>>>>To: gw-news@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: Freedom Suing GW Micro
>>>>
>>>>Doug recently posted a very interesting blog entry that you should
>>>>read:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.gwmicro.com/blog/index.php/all/2008/07/24/do_compan
>>>>ies_really_compete_on_who_has_t
>>>>
>>>>Aaron
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