Re: Freedom Scientific's Lack of Support for Hardware
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:50:34 -0700
What does this mean?which bush are you talking about? Kate bush? George
Herbert Walker Bush? Burning bush? Or maybe the Professor Bush who
explained to us the other day that disassemble" is another word for lying?
I don't know if I want to take my information from him, particularly. But
thanks for the hot tip.
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From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific's Lack of Support for Hardware
And if people would listen to Bush instead of mainstream media you might be
better informed.
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From: "Wil James" <wil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:15 PM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific's Lack of Support for Hardware
> Well, it is their award winning product that wants to be on the cutting
> edge. It doesn't make sense for the choice not to support this product.
A
> leader doesn't fall behind. Then again, we have our fearless leader,
Bush,
> so that last statement doesn't have much weight.
>
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> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Gene
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific's Lack of Support for Hardware
>
> And again I hazard a guess but wouldn't make sense to wait and see how
well
> the thing is going to sell first. After all, if there were problems who do
> you think would have to spend money and man hours trying to do tech
support?
>
>
>
> Thanks; Gene
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wil James" <wil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:30 PM
> Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific's Lack of Support for Hardware
>
>
> > Read again the phrase that was quoted via Eric Damery.
> >
> >>>> "At this time, we don't feel it makes good business sense for Freedom
> > Scientific to work with HIMS or their Distributors to provide the
> > necessary
> > specification or support the development of a driver to be used by JAWS
> >>>> for Windows."
> >
> > That sounds like a hesitation of doing anything that would benefit both
> > companies.
> >
> > We didn't see FS doing this with Dec Talk USB. Yes, it did take a while
> > for
> > those to come out, but they didn't hesitate supporting the synthesizer.
> >
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> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> > Of Gene
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:52 PM
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific's Lack of Support for Hardware
> >
> > Just guessing here, but could it be that they support the top selling
> > models
> > and not the lesser ones? That would make sense to me.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks; Gene
> >
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Toews" <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific's Lack of Support for Hardware
> >
> >
> >> But the competition supports all the Focus displays. Not only that, but
> >> unless I'm wrong, JAWS supports Kurzweil, a comparable product made by
> >> competition.
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
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> >>
> >> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Gene wrote:
> >>
> >>> No company I know of supports every piece of hardware that comes out.
If
> >>> FS
> >>> has a product they think is comparable to the hardware in question
then
> >>> of
> >>> course they aren't going to support something built by the
competition.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks; Gene
> >>>
> >>> On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Wil James" <wil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:48 PM
> >>> Subject: Freedom Scientific's Lack of Support for Hardware
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> This makes no sense to me in any way, shape, fashion, or form. Let
me
> >>>> set up the context for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Someone wrote on the GW Micro list about the Braille Sense, the
newesst
> >>>> PDA from GW Micro, inquiring about a driver for JAWS to work with its
> >>>> braille display. I was shocked to see the below response. This is
> >>>> directly from Doug Geoffray.
> >>>>
> >>>> Begin Quote
> >>>> Hello Robert,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm very glad you asked this question. This has generated great
> >>>> frustration for me.
> >>>>
> >>>> With Window-Eyes, our philosophy is to support as many synthesizers
and
> >>>> as
> >>>> many braille displays as possible. Even if this means we need to
> >>>> support
> >>>> products from competing companies. It just seems so clear in my mind
> >>>> that
> >>>> this is the only approach.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, Freedom Scientific obviously doesn't feel as I do about
> >>>> this. HIMS had contacted Freedom Scientific several months ago
> >>>> regarding
> >>>> the ability to create a JAWS driver for the Braille Sense. Freedom
> >>>> Scientific never responded. Thinking I had a better relationship
with
> >>>> Freedom, I decided to send an email to Eric Damery directly regarding
> >>>> this. Like HIMS, I never got a response. A couple weeks ago I saw
> >>>> Eric
> >>>> in
> >>>> person and asked him about this... He said he would get back with me
> >>>> by
> >>>>
> >>>> the end of the week with what I needed. Well, I did hear back in
email
> >>>> at
> >>>> the end of the week but it wasn't what I needed. Let me quote Eric's
> >>>> official response:
> >>>>
> >>>> "At this time, we don't feel it makes good business sense for Freedom
> >>>> Scientific to work with HIMS or their Distributors to provide the
> >>>> necessary
> >>>> specification or support the development of a driver to be used by
JAWS
> >>>> for
> >>>> Windows."
> >>>>
> >>>> This just blew me away. Since the beginning of Freedom Scientific
all
> >>>> I
> >>>>
> >>>> have heard is that this one stop shopping idea is best for the
> >>>> user. Creating one company that handles all products for all blind
and
> >>>> visually impaired users is only going to help the industry and of
> >>>> course
> >>>>
> >>>> blind people. Well, all I have seen are prices going up and fear of
> >>>> competition and anything that can be done to squash competition even
if
> >>>> that means not giving existing and future JAWS users access to all
> >>>> their
> >>>>
> >>>> options. Options such as the Braille Sense.
> >>>>
> >>>> Keep in mind that with Window-Eyes we, meaning GW Micro, create all
the
> >>>> synthesizer and braille drivers ourselves. With JAWS, the drivers
are
> >>>> not
> >>>> written by Freedom Scientific but usually the manufacturer of the
> >>>> device. So for the Braille Sense, we are not asking Freedom
Scientific
> >>>> to
> >>>> create the driver, we are asking for the development kit they already
> >>>> have
> >>>> which documents how the driver should be written to interface into
> >>>> JAWS. Bottom line, there is no extra work on Freedom's part to
create
> >>>> this
> >>>> driver. We will do that. But they refuse to give us the existing
> >>>> necessary information simply because it competes with their PACMate
> >>>> which
> >>>> has been struggling.
> >>>>
> >>>> My frustration is that Freedom Scientific has grown so big and
arrogant
> >>>> that they can turn their back on blind users simply for a buck.
> >>>>
> >>>> So Robert, to answer your question specifically. We would love to
> >>>> create a
> >>>> JAWS driver for the Braille Sense. But Freedom Scientific is tieing
> >>>> our
> >>>>
> >>>> hands because they feel threatened by the Braille Sense.
> >>>> End Quote
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------------------------------
> >>>> This message was written and composed on the Pac mate.
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