Hi, Steve. You do not pay for Adobe Reader 8. As for the flash player, it doesn't seem to be involved in the Adobe Reader 8 download from the link that Cher gave us and that I copied in my message to the list this morning. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Gomes okay I just went to look at acrobat. I have version 7. I understand you have to buy version 8. is that right? and what about flash player. how can I tell if I have the latest version. I can't find it