[jawsscripts] Re: Note Organizers

"Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> · Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:12:21 -0400

Hi Chris,
How different is it from the one that used to be maintained at Source forge?

Thanks.

Jim

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[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:05 AM
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Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Note Organizers

The version of KeyNote that's now being maintained is now known as
KeyNote NF. The project page is at http://code.google.com/p/keynote-nf/.

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Christopher
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On 6/8/2010 6:57 AM, Greg wrote:
> Hello,
> This Keynote sounds like a nice program.  Where do you get it?
> Thanks,
> Greg W.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Chaltain"<chaltain@xxxxxxxxx>
> To:<jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:33 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Note Organizers
>
>
> Hi John, are you directing this question at me? I don't see the message
> you're referring to, so I'm not sure if you're talking to me or not. I'm
> also not sure why you think I'd be particularly helpful in determining the
> best PIM to use, assuming I am the Christopher you're talking to. I did post
> a message recently saying how much I like KeyNote, so I can talk to that a
> bit.
>
> KeyNote let's you have different Notes. I think of these as Tabs in other
> applications. Visually I think of them as being displayed horizontally
> across the screen. You can use control+tab to jump to the next note or F6 to
> bring up a list of notes. there's also a Notes pull down in the menu bar.
> I'll go ahead and refer to them as tabs from here on out, so they don't get
> confused with nodes of the trees you can create, which I'll describe next.
>
> Within each tab, you can have a Tree. You can use control+shift+tab to get
> to the tree list within a tab and then use the arrow keys to move up and
> down the tree or expand and collapse each node. You can use the tab key to
> jump from the tree to the contents of the particular node you're on.
>
> One example of how I use KeyNote at home, is that I've created a Journal.knt
> database. I have a Personal tab and a Computer tab. In the Personal tab, I
> have a tree with a node for each year. That node has a child node for each
> month and then those nodes have child notes for each day. Note that I don't
> create all of these nodes in the beginning, I just create them as I go
> along. Now I can fly up and down the tree to find the day I want to read,
> update or create. I just hit the tab key to start editing.
>
> The computer tab is similar, and I use it to keep track of the changes I've
> made to my system. I also have another parent node where I keep track of the
> applications I've tried and how accessible and usable they were. There's
> also a parent node where I keep track of the license keys I have for the
> different applications I've purchased over the years.
>
> As I said in my previous note, I got away from using KeyNote when it wasn't
> supported, and now that I know it's supported again, I've started using it.
> I'll probably be consolidating my old KeyNote databases into a single
> database with tabs for things like Family, To Do's, Journal, computer,
> Miscellaneous and so on. At the office, I've started using KeyNote again as
> well, and I've created a new database with tabs for Employees, Teams and
> Projects, references, To Do's and so on.
>
> What I like about KeyNote NF so much is twofold. First, I like the fact that
> you can have trees with so many levels. The notes or tabs are also a nice
> plus. The second is that absolutely everything is totally accessible with
> JFW. It took a while figuring out the different hot keys, but I literally
> never resort to the JAWS cursor now.
>
> The one thing I miss with KeyNote is an internal spell checker. Hopefully
> the new author will get around to adding this at some point. I also haven't
> figured out how to launch an application from within KeyNote. For example,
> I'd like to be able to list an Excel file in KeyNote and then hit a hot key
> to have KeyNote bring up Excel with that Excel file. I may be able to do
> this, but I just haven't figured it out yet.
>
> I've tried a few other PIM applications and systems, but I never found them
> as robust, simple to use and accessible as KeyNote. I'll mention a few
> below.
>
> When KeyNote stopped being supported a few years ago, I did look at TreePad
> Lite. I never got around to using it, and I'm not sure why anymore. It might
> be that it didn't have some feature that I found in KeyNote, or it may have
> been some areas where I couldn't figure out the appropriate hot key.
>
> Before I realized KeyNote support had been picked up again, I had been using
> NoteTab Pro. NoteTab Pro has outlines, which you can think of as trees with
> just one level. I used a combination of outlines and links in NoteTab Pro to
> jump to other outlines and files to simulate the tree hierarchy I get in
> KeyNote. Now that I know KeyNote support has been picked up, I'm cutting
> back over to it. It's just easier and faster in KeyNote to create a new
> parent node then it is to create a link and a new outline file in NoteTab
> Pro. Note that I still use NoteTab Pro as my main editor, with its HTML
> support and built in macro language.
>
> I also use Lotus Notes and Outlook, and I still use these applications for
> email, contacts and calendars, but I just find them too cumbersome to keep
> track of other kinds of information and notes. Again, the tree structure in
> KeyNote just makes it so easy to organize this kind of data.
>
> I've also just tried using windows Explorer and the file system to create a
> similar tree structure. Again, this just ends up being a bit too cumbersome
> and inefficient when compared to KeyNote.
>
> Another program that has some promise is Debrief from
> http://debriefnotes.com/features.htm. Unfortunately, it doesn't have as many
> hot keys as KeyNote, so you have to resort to the JFW cursor too often. For
> me, for a PIM to be something you're going to use all of the time then it
> needs to be as unobtrusive as possible. It doesn't look like it's anything
> you couldn't solve with some pretty basic scripting, but I really don't know
> what I'm talking about here! The free version is also pretty limited, so to
> make it an effective PIM, you're going to have to pay for one of the
> upgrades.
>
> If anyone got this far, that's pretty much what I know. Others may obviously
> not get as much mileage out of KeyNote as I do, but I'm a big fan. If anyone
> has any further questions, just send them my way. It doesn't seem like this
> is on topic for this list though, so you may want to drop me a note off line
> or take it to another list, such as JAWSLite at
> http://donaldmoore.org/mailman/listinfo/jawslite_donaldmoore.org.
>
> --
> Christopher
> chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John O'Regan
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:47 PM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Note Organizers
>
> Dear Christopher,
>
>    So which PIM do you recommend?  I was thinking of using TreePad.
> Does it work well with JAWS?  Or how about KeyNote NF?  Do all those
> new features make it overcomplicated and fiddly?  I guess what I'm
> asking is could you give us the benefit of your wisdom and experience
> and post a short comparative review?
>
> TIA,
> John.
>
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