[jawsscripts] Re: Note Organizers
- From: "David Farough" <David.Farough@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 10:55:38 -0400
Hi Christopher:
A number of years ago I had been involved with an effort to work on
some scripts for keynote. This effort did not get very far due to a
lack of interest from some members of the group that had been set up on
For-The-People.
I did a bit of work on my own but did not continue the effort. I
believe I had been working on getting the current tab to speak when it
was swished to. This was an old version of keynote and a much earlier
version of Jaws. I will see if I can find the scripts and see if there
is anything that can be salvaged for the current version of Keynote.
David Farough
Application Accessibility Coordinator/coordonateur de l'accessibilité
Information Technology Services Directorate /
Direction des services d'information technologiques
Public Service Commission / Commission de la fonction publique
Email / Courriel: David.Farough@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Tel. / Tél: (613) 992-2779
>>> Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@xxxxxxxxx> 10:10 am Tuesday, June
08, 2010 >>>
Wow great Jim! I don't think KeyNote needs much scripting, but I do
agree these would be nice, especially automatically announcing the name
of the note when you jump from note to note. How would I get a hold of
what you got?
--
Christopher
chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
On 6/8/2010 8:05 AM, Homme, James wrote:
> Hi,
> I have the original version. I started a little set of JAWS scripts
for it. Right now, they just speak the dialogs that come up that have
the OK button or confirm, Yes, No buttons. I also have the insert key
mapped to insert a node in the tree. And I made it so that when you hit
arrows, home, and end while focus is on the tab strip, the focus jumps
back to the tab strip instead of going somewhere else.
>
> I have two more things on my short list when I can get to them. I
want to make the scripts automatically speak the tab that gets selected
when you use Control Tab, Control Shift Tab, Control Page Down, and
Control Page Up when focus is away from the tab strip. I want to see if
I can either steal or find a way to make the Homer F8 Shift F8 selection
functionality work in the edit window.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility
advice
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher
Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:45 AM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Note Organizers
>
> The program looks and feels the same to me, and it's just as
accessible.
> I haven't tried the new features yet, but according to the web site:
>
> This project is an evolution of Tranglos Keynote (of Marek
Jedlinski),
> with new features like:
>
> . Checkboxes on children of selected nodes
> Selecting checkboxes for all nodes (View/Tree Checkboxes -- now
View/All
> nodes Checkboxes) is still posible. Besides, checkboxes can be shown
> only on children
> of selected nodes (Children Checkbox)
> . Hidden nodes
> Capacity to work with hidden nodes. Nodes can be hidden in two ways:
> . Activating a mode wich automatically hides checked nodes (Show or
Hide
> checked nodes)
> . Filtering one note's nodes or all notes under a searching
criterion
> (Filter Tree Note)
> . Alarms on nodes
> . Better treatment of tables
> . Improved treatment of links
> . Multilanguage support
> . New kind of virtual nodes: links to other nodes (Mirror nodes)
> Allow to organize the information in different ways, because nodes
can
> be simultaneously in different notes. It will be possible to sort,
rank
> and structuring
> in a free tree hierarchy, independent of the hierarchy in wich
'real'
> nodes reside.
> . Unicode compliant
> . New KeyNote file format: compressed
>
> --
>
> Christopher
> chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
> On 6/8/2010 7:12 AM, Homme, James wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>> How different is it from the one that used to be maintained at
Source forge?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Jim Homme,
>> Usability Services,
>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility
advice
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher
Chaltain
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:05 AM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Note Organizers
>>
>> The version of KeyNote that's now being maintained is now known as
>> KeyNote NF. The project page is at
http://code.google.com/p/keynote-nf/.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Christopher
>> chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> On 6/8/2010 6:57 AM, Greg wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> This Keynote sounds like a nice program. Where do you get it?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Greg W.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Christopher Chaltain"<chaltain@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:<jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:33 AM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Note Organizers
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi John, are you directing this question at me? I don't see the
message
>>> you're referring to, so I'm not sure if you're talking to me or
not. I'm
>>> also not sure why you think I'd be particularly helpful in
determining the
>>> best PIM to use, assuming I am the Christopher you're talking to. I
did post
>>> a message recently saying how much I like KeyNote, so I can talk to
that a
>>> bit.
>>>
>>> KeyNote let's you have different Notes. I think of these as Tabs in
other
>>> applications. Visually I think of them as being displayed
horizontally
>>> across the screen. You can use control+tab to jump to the next note
or F6 to
>>> bring up a list of notes. there's also a Notes pull down in the
menu bar.
>>> I'll go ahead and refer to them as tabs from here on out, so they
don't get
>>> confused with nodes of the trees you can create, which I'll
describe next.
>>>
>>> Within each tab, you can have a Tree. You can use control+shift+tab
to get
>>> to the tree list within a tab and then use the arrow keys to move
up and
>>> down the tree or expand and collapse each node. You can use the tab
key to
>>> jump from the tree to the contents of the particular node you're
on.
>>>
>>> One example of how I use KeyNote at home, is that I've created a
Journal.knt
>>> database. I have a Personal tab and a Computer tab. In the Personal
tab, I
>>> have a tree with a node for each year. That node has a child node
for each
>>> month and then those nodes have child notes for each day. Note that
I don't
>>> create all of these nodes in the beginning, I just create them as I
go
>>> along. Now I can fly up and down the tree to find the day I want to
read,
>>> update or create. I just hit the tab key to start editing.
>>>
>>> The computer tab is similar, and I use it to keep track of the
changes I've
>>> made to my system. I also have another parent node where I keep
track of the
>>> applications I've tried and how accessible and usable they were.
There's
>>> also a parent node where I keep track of the license keys I have
for the
>>> different applications I've purchased over the years.
>>>
>>> As I said in my previous note, I got away from using KeyNote when
it wasn't
>>> supported, and now that I know it's supported again, I've started
using it.
>>> I'll probably be consolidating my old KeyNote databases into a
single
>>> database with tabs for things like Family, To Do's, Journal,
computer,
>>> Miscellaneous and so on. At the office, I've started using KeyNote
again as
>>> well, and I've created a new database with tabs for Employees,
Teams and
>>> Projects, references, To Do's and so on.
>>>
>>> What I like about KeyNote NF so much is twofold. First, I like the
fact that
>>> you can have trees with so many levels. The notes or tabs are also
a nice
>>> plus. The second is that absolutely everything is totally
accessible with
>>> JFW. It took a while figuring out the different hot keys, but I
literally
>>> never resort to the JAWS cursor now.
>>>
>>> The one thing I miss with KeyNote is an internal spell checker.
Hopefully
>>> the new author will get around to adding this at some point. I also
haven't
>>> figured out how to launch an application from within KeyNote. For
example,
>>> I'd like to be able to list an Excel file in KeyNote and then hit a
hot key
>>> to have KeyNote bring up Excel with that Excel file. I may be able
to do
>>> this, but I just haven't figured it out yet.
>>>
>>> I've tried a few other PIM applications and systems, but I never
found them
>>> as robust, simple to use and accessible as KeyNote. I'll mention a
few
>>> below.
>>>
>>> When KeyNote stopped being supported a few years ago, I did look at
TreePad
>>> Lite. I never got around to using it, and I'm not sure why anymore.
It might
>>> be that it didn't have some feature that I found in KeyNote, or it
may have
>>> been some areas where I couldn't figure out the appropriate hot
key.
>>>
>>> Before I realized KeyNote support had been picked up again, I had
been using
>>> NoteTab Pro. NoteTab Pro has outlines, which you can think of as
trees with
>>> just one level. I used a combination of outlines and links in
NoteTab Pro to
>>> jump to other outlines and files to simulate the tree hierarchy I
get in
>>> KeyNote. Now that I know KeyNote support has been picked up, I'm
cutting
>>> back over to it. It's just easier and faster in KeyNote to create a
new
>>> parent node then it is to create a link and a new outline file in
NoteTab
>>> Pro. Note that I still use NoteTab Pro as my main editor, with its
HTML
>>> support and built in macro language.
>>>
>>> I also use Lotus Notes and Outlook, and I still use these
applications for
>>> email, contacts and calendars, but I just find them too cumbersome
to keep
>>> track of other kinds of information and notes. Again, the tree
structure in
>>> KeyNote just makes it so easy to organize this kind of data.
>>>
>>> I've also just tried using windows Explorer and the file system to
create a
>>> similar tree structure. Again, this just ends up being a bit too
cumbersome
>>> and inefficient when compared to KeyNote.
>>>
>>> Another program that has some promise is Debrief from
>>> http://debriefnotes.com/features.htm. Unfortunately, it doesn't
have as many
>>> hot keys as KeyNote, so you have to resort to the JFW cursor too
often. For
>>> me, for a PIM to be something you're going to use all of the time
then it
>>> needs to be as unobtrusive as possible. It doesn't look like it's
anything
>>> you couldn't solve with some pretty basic scripting, but I really
don't know
>>> what I'm talking about here! The free version is also pretty
limited, so to
>>> make it an effective PIM, you're going to have to pay for one of
the
>>> upgrades.
>>>
>>> If anyone got this far, that's pretty much what I know. Others may
obviously
>>> not get as much mileage out of KeyNote as I do, but I'm a big fan.
If anyone
>>> has any further questions, just send them my way. It doesn't seem
like this
>>> is on topic for this list though, so you may want to drop me a note
off line
>>> or take it to another list, such as JAWSLite at
>>> http://donaldmoore.org/mailman/listinfo/jawslite_donaldmoore.org.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher
>>> chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
O'Regan
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:47 PM
>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Note Organizers
>>>
>>> Dear Christopher,
>>>
>>> So which PIM do you recommend? I was thinking of using
TreePad.
>>> Does it work well with JAWS? Or how about KeyNote NF? Do all
those
>>> new features make it overcomplicated and fiddly? I guess what I'm
>>> asking is could you give us the benefit of your wisdom and
experience
>>> and post a short comparative review?
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> John.
>>>
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