Wasn;t you the one with the facebooks access rules for the students? Naaa, ok, ok I will not start again.. Regards Diego R. Pietruszka From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steven Comeau Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:17 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Unsupported So, can’t we just export the 2006 Configuration (x32) into TMG( x64) – or won’t that work? I mean, I ain’t got nothin’ fancy ‘cept some self-signed certs… Steve Comeau Associate Director of IT Rutgers Athletics 83 Rockafeller Road Piscataway, NJ 08854 732-445-7802 732-445-4623 (fax) www.scarletknights.com<http://www.scarletknights.com> [cid:image001.png@01CA87D0.EFEC7980] [cid:image002.jpg@01CA87D0.EFEC7980] From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:36 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Unsupported Could you elaborate on what you mean by “the tone”? While we realize we’re likely to upset some folks, that’s clearly not on the list of goals for this doc.. From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 7:02 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Unsupported Originally, my point was I didn't like the tone of the unsupported configs doc. I can now see the point of publishing this so people can know what they are getting into ahead of time. 2nd point: As with all things, I know when migrating 32 bit to 64 bit is necessary. When we "tore down the network", it wasn't because we didn't know what we were doing, it was an intentional redesign with days / weeks of planning. I'm usually the first one to suggest the 64-bit deal if it's an option. I just said it sucks - as in, it's not conveinient. EVEN IF a direct path were offered for 32-bit to 64-bit migration were technically feasable, I would STILL go with a clean install for the 64-bit for obvious reasons. As I said before, TMG as a product is fine. J Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2009, at 10:39 PM, "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: You misunderstood what I said: I wasn’t saying to tear down the entire network to get it to X64 – I was saying to John, “remember when we tore down the network,” (and did not go into those reasons, as he knows). We had very good reason to have to do so – and DID so in a corporate environment. If anyone was going to do the stoning it was us. The point is that sometimes you have to do things you don’t want to do in order to get to the “right place.” You just have to define what “the right place” is. Migrating 14 servers is no big deal. Migrating 1400 just requires a proper plan of action... No one said this would be easy. If anyone could do this, they wouldn’t need us- they’d hire college kids… KNOWING the difference between TMG and ISA, I can why they did what they did… If others don’t want to upgrade (for reasons that I personally would call “lazy”) then that’s fine. They don’t have to. If dude wants to can TMG/ISA because he doesn’t feel like doing the work, then goody for thim… That’s what my point was. t From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Mulholland Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 12:52 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Unsupported That’s really great, but i’m not about to ‘tear down my entire’ network to get it to x64. In a corporate environment you’d be stoned to death for even mentioning such. I kind of agree with everyone a little bit, i personally am planning a swing migration as its the best way i find i can reduce the downtime window to me end users. It was always the same with Exchange 2007 and Moss and others deal with it if you want it, if it doesn’t add value to you then you are not bound to upgrade, the choice is yours. Jim is right where there have been many hidden unsupported config’s for MS products and ive only found out after ive installed the product when problems occur. Personally i’d rather know before hand. Hope you all had a good Christmas. Greg From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God) Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2009 5:59 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Unsupported First off, I very much respect your opinion… But we had x86 to x64 conversations YEARS ago… Remember when we tore down the entire network and rebuilt it from scratch? It was necessary.. Sometimes you have to do that. We have to progress, and sometimes doing so is not easy. t From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:42 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Unsupported I read the list of unsupported scenarios. While I agree there is a certain extent of necessity of unsupported configs due to the changes in underlying code /technologies, to me, this reads off on a wrong note. It's almost like Microsoft has taken a "You have to a given configuration, or else the product is not supported." attitude. In the past, I think they have been more of a "technology empowers business" attitude. The shift in mentality, for this piece of product documentation at least, bothers me. Hey, this may be just me reading it the wrong way, but if I was using ISA 2006 in organization, I could see where the decision makers would look at the list of unsupported configurations and say, "ISA and TMG costs a lot in liscensing, and seems like it isn't as flexible as the older product. Let's look at other options." That may or may not be a fair statement. But if I showed the documentation to certain people, I'm sure the project to upgrade wouldn't get approved. As far as 32-bit 2003 to 64-bit 2008 with no direct upgrade path, that sucks. But its the same issue users faced migrating from Exchange 2003 to Exchange 2007. So it's not a new thing. It's to be expected for certain products if you want to take advantage of the 64-bit architecture. John Wilson ________________________________ From: Jim Harrison <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> To: "isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 1:05:35 PM Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Unsupported Since you're interested in maintaining service during the change from ISA to TMG, you can't use an in-place upgrade anyway. At some point in any in-place upgrade process, that server is off-line. No getting around it. Have you ever considered a rolling upgrade? At most, it costs you 1 or 2 extra servers (that can be included or repurposed afterwards) and allows you to "silently" move your users from one deployment to another. If you do this on virtual deployments, it's even easier. Chapter 6 in the TMG book (also to be a sample chapter) is dedicated to this thought process and offers an example of "rolling" from ISA 2006 SE to TMG EE. ..it's only as hard as you choose to make it. ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of D PIETRUSZKA USWRN INTERLINK INFRA SHIFT MGR [DPietruszka@xxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:57 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Unsupported For the OS don’t use excuses, Microsoft always did the same with ISA and lately with a lot of other products just to force you to migrate to 64 bits or 2008. And the instances, I have 14 (well there are 2 others not really in use) ISAs servers in total, believe me I would find out a way to continue protecting the network or providing proxy service while migrating other boxes. It is just a pain in …. to always do the same thing, that is why I promised last time to don’t migrate to the next ISA version, the pain that was move from 2004 to 2006 was not worth the advantages on the new version. Believe me I’m closer to look for other products rather than upgrading, that is why I would like to read about the advantages. Regards Diego R. Pietruszka MIS - Shift Manager MSC (USA) - Interlink Transport Technologies Direct Phone: (908)605-4147 From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:45 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Unsupported When you figure out how to do an "in place upgrade" from WS03 x86 to WS08 x64, you let us know? ..oh; and while you're at it, be sure to describe how the ISA 2006 instance is to continue operating (necessary for an in-place upgrade) on WS08 x64? Seriously; some in-place changes just aren't possible. ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of D PIETRUSZKA USWRN INTERLINK INFRA SHIFT MGR [DPietruszka@xxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:41 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Unsupported Is there any link with a description of the advantages or new features of TMG over ISA2006? I want to see if playing the crappy Microsoft game of never offer an in place upgrade is worth or not the effort. Thanks Regards Diego R. Pietruszka From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God) Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:33 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Unsupported Shouldn’t one say “TMG is not supported on ‘certain’ editions” rather than “on all editions? It makes it sound like every edition of 2008 is not supported. t From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 6:29 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [isalist] TMG Unsupported We just published the “unsupported stuff” for TMG on TechNet. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee796231.aspx is your link of reference. *** This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. 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