RE: SMS client running on ISA
- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:22:06 -0600
I thought he mean crap-apple?
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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**Who is John Galt?**
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Poole [mailto:EPoole@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:16 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
>
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>
> Don't you mean a craple?
> :)
> _______________________________________________
> Eric Poole, CISSP
> Senior Information Security Analyst
> Community Medical Centers
> 1140 "T" Street, Fresno, California 93721
> 559-459-6784 (phone) 559-459-2045 (fax)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Radtke [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:03 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
>
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> I don't even really think it's that, it's more like comparing
> apples and
> carrots....
>
> Network guys (like me) need to make sure everything can talk
> to/do/connect/run/save/import/export/wash windows/make coffee for
> everyone.
>
> Security guys (like me) need to make sure everything is secure
> regardless sometimes of what stops working.
>
> The thing is that one hat (network) makes everything do as much as it
> can. The other hat (security) makes things do as little as possible
> because you don't want any funny business.
>
> Are the hats mutually exclusive? No, but they do have to distinct
> agendas that can be made into one. It sort of a cross between them,
> like a carapple..... Probably tastier that one too......
>
>
> Troy
>
> CCNP & W2k3 GPO Wizard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:37 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
>
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>
> Hi Eric,
>
> So it sounds like an issue that needs to be run up into the CIO/CTO
> area. I know I've had to deal with this in a few organizations I've
> worked with, and that's when the "Dr. Know It All" comes of
> some help :)
> I'm going to work on this and see what I can do, if anything, to this
> into the CxO mindspace.
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Poole [mailto:EPoole@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:30 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
> >
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> >
> > Thanks Tom,
> > You are 100% correct. I've had this problem for some time and was
> > recently verified at a CISSP meeting that others around the country
> > are experiencing the same issue. I'm thinking that problem starts
> > with the Managers/Directors. The networking guys will do
> what their
> > managers tell them or allow them to do, but if they are either not
> > given boundaries or told to try and take care of security
> issues then,
>
> > well, I think we all know what happens then. I guess the biggest
> > problem I face is the fact that I'm running 20 to 1. I becomes
> > difficult to push security issues when I have 20 networking
> guys not
> > on the same page or just plain working against me. Oh well, enough
> > whining for one day.
> > Thanks again.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Eric Poole, CISSP
> > Senior Information Security Analyst
> > Community Medical Centers
> > 1140 "T" Street, Fresno, California 93721
> > 559-459-6784 (phone) 559-459-2045 (fax)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:59 AM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > You bring up a very good point. It's something that's been bubbling
> > under the surface for quite a while, but it's becoming
> extremely clear
>
> > that "networking guys" are the weak link in the security chain, and
> > management of firewalls and other security devices need to
> be wrested
> > from them. At one time they might have been able to handle network
> > security, but with their "open a port" mentality, its
> obviously that
> > they can't handle the responsibility. There's still plenty
> for them to
>
> > do, but anything security related really needs to be
> removed from them
>
> > and assigned to those who understand the servers and services that
> > require the protection.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > Site: www.isaserver.org
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> > **Who is John Galt?**
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Eric Poole [mailto:EPoole@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:54 PM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > Well, that's the reason I've been preaching...I thought
> it was good
> > > enough, but you know those networking guys.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Eric Poole, CISSP
> > > Senior Information Security Analyst
> > > Community Medical Centers
> > > 1140 "T" Street, Fresno, California 93721
> > > 559-459-6784 (phone) 559-459-2045 (fax)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John T (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:43 AM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > Other than that it is a bad idea to have something else
> > making changes
> >
> > > on your firewall without your knowledge or say I can not
> > think of any
> > > reason not to.
> > >
> > > John T
> > > eServices For You
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Eric Poole [mailto:EPoole@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:14 AM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] SMS client running on ISA
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know of any issues of the Microsoft SMS client being
> > > installed
> > > > on ISA?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Eric Poole, CISSP
> > > > Senior Information Security Analyst Community Medical
> Centers 1140
>
> > > > "T" Street, Fresno, California 93721
> > > > 559-459-6784 (phone) 559-459-2045 (fax)
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