RE: SMS client running on ISA
- From: "Eric Poole" <EPoole@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:15:38 -0800
Don't you mean a craple?
:)
_______________________________________________
Eric Poole, CISSP
Senior Information Security Analyst
Community Medical Centers
1140 "T" Street, Fresno, California 93721
559-459-6784 (phone) 559-459-2045 (fax)
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Radtke [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:03 PM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
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I don't even really think it's that, it's more like comparing apples and
carrots....
Network guys (like me) need to make sure everything can talk
to/do/connect/run/save/import/export/wash windows/make coffee for
everyone.
Security guys (like me) need to make sure everything is secure
regardless sometimes of what stops working.
The thing is that one hat (network) makes everything do as much as it
can. The other hat (security) makes things do as little as possible
because you don't want any funny business.
Are the hats mutually exclusive? No, but they do have to distinct
agendas that can be made into one. It sort of a cross between them,
like a carapple..... Probably tastier that one too......
Troy
CCNP & W2k3 GPO Wizard
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:37 PM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
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Hi Eric,
So it sounds like an issue that needs to be run up into the CIO/CTO
area. I know I've had to deal with this in a few organizations I've
worked with, and that's when the "Dr. Know It All" comes of some help :)
I'm going to work on this and see what I can do, if anything, to this
into the CxO mindspace.
Thanks!
Tom
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Poole [mailto:EPoole@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:30 PM
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> Thanks Tom,
> You are 100% correct. I've had this problem for some time and was
> recently verified at a CISSP meeting that others around the country
> are experiencing the same issue. I'm thinking that problem starts
> with the Managers/Directors. The networking guys will do what their
> managers tell them or allow them to do, but if they are either not
> given boundaries or told to try and take care of security issues then,
> well, I think we all know what happens then. I guess the biggest
> problem I face is the fact that I'm running 20 to 1. I becomes
> difficult to push security issues when I have 20 networking guys not
> on the same page or just plain working against me. Oh well, enough
> whining for one day.
> Thanks again.
> _______________________________________________
> Eric Poole, CISSP
> Senior Information Security Analyst
> Community Medical Centers
> 1140 "T" Street, Fresno, California 93721
> 559-459-6784 (phone) 559-459-2045 (fax)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:59 AM
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> Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
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> Hi Eric,
>
> You bring up a very good point. It's something that's been bubbling
> under the surface for quite a while, but it's becoming extremely clear
> that "networking guys" are the weak link in the security chain, and
> management of firewalls and other security devices need to be wrested
> from them. At one time they might have been able to handle network
> security, but with their "open a port" mentality, its obviously that
> they can't handle the responsibility. There's still plenty for them to
> do, but anything security related really needs to be removed from them
> and assigned to those who understand the servers and services that
> require the protection.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Poole [mailto:EPoole@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:54 PM
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> > Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
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> >
> > Well, that's the reason I've been preaching...I thought it was good
> > enough, but you know those networking guys.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Eric Poole, CISSP
> > Senior Information Security Analyst
> > Community Medical Centers
> > 1140 "T" Street, Fresno, California 93721
> > 559-459-6784 (phone) 559-459-2045 (fax)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John T (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:43 AM
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> > Subject: [isalist] RE: SMS client running on ISA
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> >
> > Other than that it is a bad idea to have something else
> making changes
>
> > on your firewall without your knowledge or say I can not
> think of any
> > reason not to.
> >
> > John T
> > eServices For You
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Eric Poole [mailto:EPoole@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:14 AM
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> > > Subject: [isalist] SMS client running on ISA
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > Anyone know of any issues of the Microsoft SMS client being
> > installed
> > > on ISA?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Eric Poole, CISSP
> > > Senior Information Security Analyst Community Medical Centers 1140
> > > "T" Street, Fresno, California 93721
> > > 559-459-6784 (phone) 559-459-2045 (fax)
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