> I am FURIOUS at these self-appointed guardians of the internet. They > have caused me more aggravation and more Denial-Of-Service than spam > ever has. And that's just at home. Now, they have caused a denial of > service at a major government installation. There are literally hundreds > of thousands of people worldwide that depend on our e-mail system for > everything from education to scientific research to national security. > How many other ISP's are blocking us? I have seen this one already, and it has been discussed at length on another list. What this rant does not go on to explain is the fact that the admins in charge of their e-mail server(s) refuse to take any responsibility and fix the problems that are there. They have decided to take the approach that we are the government, and therefore our configuration is fine. Here is a quote from another list: " IMHO situations such as those occurring at the Kennedy Space Center mail servers, is simple evidence of the arrogance of system Administrators in believing they "own" the mail boxes of those receiving the spew of unwanted email messages, known as spam. When any admin neglects to respond to complaints of system compromises or spamming, I firmly believe they should have their internet privileges suspended until they wake up and apply best practices to their own systems. Another insecure system that is relaying a constant spew of spam is the mail servers at va.gov. The consequence is that they, too, are now appearing on the DNSBLs and other blacklists. These "gummit" admins are not in some ivory tower, and must bear a responsibility to be good "netizens" or suffer the consequences. All of them have failed or refused to respond to not just a few, but thousands of complaints about their systems. The ability of private enterprise to block incoming mail from abusive systems cannot be considered a denial of service, but legitimate protection of the recipient system of resources being stolen by the abusers." Basiclly, their e-mail servers were/are being used by spammers to relay spam. Therefore, they should be and are listed. Their admins need to get off their buts and start cleaning up their acts. <RANT ON> And since Tom is the one to post this, I have no reservation about bringing up that one of the companies attempting to come to the defense of these admins is none other than Sunbelt itself. Sunbelt itself was listed on MAPS, and decided to stay on it. I am sure people on here and on the MSExchange.org site know my opinion of Sunbelt. Yes, their products are good, but the people in charge, well, I think I will stop there. <RANT OFF> RBLs are great in a system that uses various tests to determine the "spaminess" of a message. That is the key, multiple tests testing multiple sections/parts. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You