Spam folders save no time. They just modify how you manager your hours. If you spend 5 mins per day filtering / deleting manually as emails come in, you're still going to spend 5 mins a day filtering from your junk folder. You have to check the junk folder, because you've set-up a system that is frequently fallible. Tag & bag is good if you've got a policy of "we're only going to re-label your spam" but it saves no time. Let those with open relays and spammicidal tendencies be inconvenienced - I've done the right thing with a secured mail system. Anthony. > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:45 > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: OT: Why Friends Don't Let Friends use RBLs > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Guess I'd rather have a few false positives dumped into my spam folder > than run the risk of not getting the email at all. I get > probably 150 or > so spam a day, maybe one legit email a week ends up in the > spam filter. > Not bad considering I'm only using the filter within Outlook > 2003 and a > handful of blocked domains in ISA. > > Filtering spam doesn't have to be difficult. > > Amy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anthony Michaud [mailto:anthonym@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:35 PM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: OT: Why Friends Don't Let Friends use RBLs > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Bayesian filtering is still to "iffy" for my liking. There > is a greater > risk of "false positives" and the dynamic's of spam change frequently > enough to avoid filtering (for periods of time). > > Finding a few good quality ORDB's has meant that I'm blocking ~35% of > all email's - spam still gets through, but its significantly lower and > there is no chance of a 'false positive'. To compensate for known > clients having a listing on one or more of the ORDB's, we > white list all > known correspondence with a dump from the CRM product we use > (automating > this is a 'to-do'). > > As we initiate new business, we send the first email, its in our > database (or should be if staff follow correct procedure) so its white > listed. Nothing important is blocked. > > Show me a Bayesian filter with a proven track record of no false > positives and I may think about looking at it - but I probably won't - > the system I'm using ain't broke, so I'm not going to fix it :) > > Anthony. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:16 > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > Subject: [isalist] RE: OT: Why Friends Don't Let Friends use RBLs > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > Hi Anthony, > > > > How does your use of an RBL on your network reduce overall bandwidth > > utilization on the Internet link? How are they superior to a good > > Bayesian filter? > > > > Thanks! > > Tom > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anthony Michaud [mailto:anthonym@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 7:11 PM > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > Subject: [isalist] RE: OT: Why Friends Don't Let Friends use RBLs > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > > Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2004 11:22 > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > > Subject: [isalist] OT: Why Friends Don't Let Friends use RBLs > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~ Clip from Fred Langa Newsletter > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kennedy > > > Space Center Blacklisted I won't bore you with the > rationale of why > > > broad-brush "blacklist" tools are bogus--- I've covered the > > inherent > > > flaws in this approach many times before. ( > > http://langa.com/u/4v.htm > > > ) But I admit to a perverse pleasure in emails like this, > > which show > > > just how utterly stupid SPEWS, MAPS, SpamCop and the rest > > really are: > > > > > > Three times this year all of the e-mail from Kennedy Space > > Center was > > > blocked by our county's largest broadband ISP (RoadRunner). > > They have > > > done so because of a large quantity of mail coming from a > > single user > > > > > or because one or more of the following third party spam > > > > *snippage* > > > > I love these rants. Who I accept email from is *my* > choice, based on > > the lattitude that I have been given in my role. If your > company has > > sent unsolicited emails, I don't want 'em. If your ISP has > > done it, or > > a customer of the ISP's - the ISP needs to be contacted by > you and the > > ISP fix it. I use dynamic RBL's, that have a quick turnaround on > > removal of blocks, so when your mail system is secure > again, then you > > can talk to me. Don't fix it, then get on the phone or fax. > > > > Its *my* mailserver. Its *my* bandwidth. 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