Thank U Tom for your response, Yes, that is what I am finding out the deeper I get into it, it seems that RRAS supports IPSEC Tunneling but requires L2TP with it, or at least that is what I see when I configure it using the Security tab in RRAS, the Old Raptor box I have only supports IPSEC with out L2TP and of course some proprietary encryption called swipe. I think this is a dead issue. If I may make one comment, I really appreciate the willingness of the ISA List subscribers who share their knowledge and experience with others, I read inquires when I get the time and contribute when I know I can provide valued input. Thank U to all G. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:51 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA-RRAS IPSEC Question http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Glenn, NOT POSSIBLE. You MUST use L2TP/IPSec if you want to create a gateway to gateway link with ISA, or you can use PPTP. HTH, Tom Thomas W Shinder <http://www.isaserver.org/shinder> www.isaserver.org/shinder ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1 <http://tinyurl.com/1jq1> Configuring ISA Server: <http://tinyurl.com/1llp> http://tinyurl.com/1llp -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Maks [mailto:gmaks@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:05 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] ISA-RRAS IPSEC Question http://www.ISAserver.org I know that ISA uses RRAS for establishing tunnels between ISA boxes but has anyone ever been able to build a IPSEC tunnel between RRAS and another vendors software platform, such as Raptor which is now owned by Symantec? Raptor supports IPSEC tunneling and I know RRAS supports Private Key Sharing, it is the authentication I can't seem to get passed, Microsoft says it supports open IPSEC tunneling between RRAS and others, but I have yet to get anything but RRAS to RRAS connections. Thank U for any feedback G. ------------------------------------------------------ List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ ------------------------------------------------------ Other Internet Software Marketing Sites: Leading Network Software Directory: http://www.serverfiles.com No.1 Exchange Server Resource Site: http://www.msexchange.org Windows Security Resource Site: http://www.windowsecurity.com/ Network Security Library: http://www.secinf.net/ Windows 2000/NT Fax Solutions: http://www.ntfaxfaq.com ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') ------------------------------------------------------ List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ ------------------------------------------------------ Other Internet Software Marketing Sites: Leading Network Software Directory: http://www.serverfiles.com No.1 Exchange Server Resource Site: http://www.msexchange.org Windows Security Resource Site: http://www.windowsecurity.com/ Network Security Library: http://www.secinf.net/ Windows 2000/NT Fax Solutions: http://www.ntfaxfaq.com ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: gmaks@xxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub')