RE: ISA on SBS webcast
- From: "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:50:03 -0500
Tom,
I'd love to know more. That's why I joined this list in the first place.
A lot of the people that I run into at the user group meetings are
formal app support people. They were configuring goldmine or accounting
apps prior to becoming small business consultants. There's also the best
buy turned home support biz now turning to small businesses group. I see
them mostly at Chamber of Commerce meeting spouting their untruths. This
is the group that pastes together a peer-to-peer network poorly, sticks
a server in there and a USB hard drive for backup, has them use a Net
Gear router for a firewall, dynamic IP, POP email and calls this a small
business network. Most of the SBS stuff is left unconfigured because
they can't figure out how it works. So as scary as it may seem, the SBS
lists actually contain more highly skilled people than are generally
working in this space. That you can point to a few competent ones is
actually quite good. These are the ones that understand what they don't
know and are trying to improve.
Not that the enterprise space doesn't have its problems. I quit that
space after I told my boss that I was never going back to St Louis
unless he first fired the guy that I was constantly flying in to bail
out. Flying around the Country, home only a few days a month so I can
bail out guys that learned networking in the dark ages and pride
themselves on never reading a readme or opening a manual and then going
through the third degree under spotlight while they determined if I was
competent or not (because of my gender) was not my idea of fun. In that
space once it was discovered that I had a brain my job became miserable.
Guys that had worked there for 15 years didn't appreciate a woman with 2
years of experience with the company coming in and fixing their screw
ups. You know these guys. They are the same ones that come to this list
and flame on about Pix and pin hole routers.
So it can be bad everywhere. Why are we here?
p.s. apparently I ranted. Sorry.
Amy
Harbor Computer Services
Small Business Computer Specialists
Client Blog: http://smalltechnotes.blogspot.com/
Tech Blog: http://isainsbs.blogspot.com/
Website: http://www.harborcomputerservices.net/
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Danielsen [mailto:JDanielsen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:20 AM
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Subject: [isalist] ISA on SBS webcast
http://www.ISAserver.org
Very well put!
Joseph F. Danielsen,
MCSA - Exchange Messaging Specialist, MCP
Network Blade Inc.
49 Marcy Street
Somerset, NJ 08873
732-213-0600
www.networkblade.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:16 AM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA on SBS webcast
http://www.ISAserver.org
Hi Amy,
Indeed! Acutally, I was quite surprized by their overall low level of
network awareness.
That's why I was really getting into that SBS series on the
ISAserver.org site and doing the analysis on what I thought was going on
with the installation routine and explaning the meaning of the options
to the folks. My take on things is that just 'cause someone doesn't know
something doesn't mean he can't learn, and I wanted to make the
opportunity available to learn about some interesting and important
networking concepts, using the ISA firewall install and management as
the framework.
But then I hear that SBS is about running wizards and never deviating
from them and the cr*ppy defaults they use, all for "supportability"
reasons, and then end up dealing with a fraternity of folks like from a
CM Kornbluth novel pounding on me for providing forbidden information.
Who knows, I might go back into that space in the future. There's people
like you, and Joseph, and heck ME who actually deploy this thing for
people who aren't interested in being the lowest common denominator.
Tom
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org
Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
MVP -- ISA Firewalls
**Who is John Galt?**
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:38 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA on SBS webcast
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Let's just say that year before last when you graciously wrangled me a
> ticket into SMBNation it opened my eyes. I heard plenty of pretty dumb
> things about ISA that weekend and I thought to myself, where
> have these
> people come from? Then I thought, hey I'm pretty smart! I didn't know
> anyone cared about SBS but me. I wasn't quite as bad as my friend Mike
> "the island" (last name withheld) but I wasn't aware that
> there was such
> a tight SBS community. I came in completely innocent and left
> completely
> appalled at the level of ISA ignorance.
>
> The tide has turned. There is a tremendous thirst for ISA knowledge
> among SBS consultants right now.
>
> Amy
>
> Harbor Computer Services
> Small Business Computer Specialists
>
> Client Blog: http://smalltechnotes.blogspot.com/
> Tech Blog: http://isainsbs.blogspot.com/
> Website: http://www.harborcomputerservices.net/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:24 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA on SBS webcast
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Looks like Amy is a supporter of Jim Harrison's Blue Ribbon Campaign:
>
> http://www.msfirewall.org/isa2004/jimssbswork.htm
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> Site: www.isaserver.org
> Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
> > [mailto:sbradcpa@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:08 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] ISA on SBS webcast
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Amy Babinchak's ISA 2004 "taco talk" is now available for viewing:
> > http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2005/11/20/76038.aspx
> >
> > Microsoft Office Live Meeting - View A Recording:
> > https://www120.livemeeting.com/cc/winserver_usergroup/view?id=
> > Q78FXW&pw=SqPq4%60P
> >
> >
> > Live meeting recording thanks to the WinServer community
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