I think the reason you're seeing this kind of thing on Bookshare is that people just scan in the books, and that information is often at the top or bottom of each page of the printed book. Some people take the time to clean these and others don't. The books from NLS are not like this. >>> john@xxxxxxxxx Monday, October 22, 2007 5:54:32 PM >>> Hi, I've been a member of Bookshare.org for about 5 years and read dozens and dozens of books from their site. However, I do it a completely stupid way... just learned this way from someone and never changed. I choose to convert the book to HTML and then I go through the downloaded book in some editor, usually Word and delete all the garbage like page numbers and chapter and page headings, etc. I was so thrilled to see how easy the Icon retrieves books from Bookshare and was really excited to listen for the first time to them in Daisy format. Much to my dismay, there is still all that junk in them. The page number is read about every minute, and the page headings etc., etc. Does everybody using Daisy books from Bookshare just put up with all this detritis? It is so distracting and takes so much away from the book itself because it adds so much garbage. Please... please tell me I'm doing it a completely stupid and uninformed way and there is some simple little thing I'm doing or not doing that will make the page numbers and such either go away or never be there in the first place. This dragging the book through to HTMNL and then globally removing as much stuff as I can manually is so much of a drag that it makes it almost completely counter productive to read books from Bookshare. I would have thought a Daisy book would not have this stuff in it. Am I just hopig for too much? And please, no matter what... even if it's true... don't tell me that the new NLS books will be this way, too. I'll jump off a cliff. John