Greg, Yes, you do understand correctly! Walter From: Gregory R Edlund [mailto:gedlund@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:53 PM To: Walter Katz Cc: IBIS-Interconnect; IBIS-ATM Subject: Re: [ibis-interconn] We need to define terms System, Component, Connected, Connection, Module, .ibs Package and Die, .ibs Bare Die Walter, You said: EMD = One proposed solution that describes Interconnect Subckts between the Module Pins and/or Module Components Pins IBIS Component. Do I understand correctly that we could conceivably use EMD to describe all kinds of interconnect between two die pads, e.g. cables, PCBs, backplane connectors, or any other passive component that we can model using ISS? Greg Edlund Senior Engineer Signal Integrity and System Timing IBM Systems & Technology Group 3605 Hwy. 52 N Bldg 050-3 Rochester, MN 55901 Inactive hide details for "Walter Katz" ---02/08/2013 10:01:10 AM---All,"Walter Katz" ---02/08/2013 10:01:10 AM---All, From: "Walter Katz" <wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "IBIS-ATM" <ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "IBIS-Interconnect" <ibis-interconn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 02/08/2013 10:01 AM Subject: [ibis-interconn] We need to define terms System, Component, Connected, Connection, Module, .ibs Package and Die, .ibs Bare Die Sent by: ibis-interconn-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx _____ All, There has been two much confusion on what EMD is and a comprehensive .ibs package and on-die interconnect solutions, so I propose the following definitions to clarify future discussions. System A system consists of multiple components that have electrical connections between them. Component A basic building block of a System. A component can be a backplane, PCB, Connector, Cable, DIMM component, Multi Chip Module, Interposer, package, a packaged die, a bare die, and other things that have not been invented yet. Connection Two electrical nodes in a system are connected if the Insertion Loss between the two points at Nyquist is “Small”. Connection A connections consists of a list of electrical nodes that are all connected to each other. Module A Module is a Component that has Pins that connect to other system components, and contains Components and Connections between these Components, and between these Components and the Module’s Pins. EMD One proposed solution that describes Interconnect Subckts between the Module Pins and/or Module Components Pins IBIS Component Represented by a .ibs file, contains one, and only one die, [Models], package interconnect between the [Component] [Pins] and Die Pads, on-die interconnect between the die pads and the [Model]. Bare Die IBIS Component A special case IBIS Component that represents a physical Die that is mounted directly in a Module. An example of this is a multi-chip module (MCM) that contains two are more die that are mounted and wire bonded directly on the MCM surface. The [Pin] and on-die pad are at the same location, and the Package model should be treated as a zero ohm resistor. Interconnect Subckt An IBIS-ISS subckt or a Touchstone File that has ports that as described below. The ports may or may not be connected to all of the other ports. Module Pins Component Pins IBIS Package Pins Die Pads On-Die Interconnect Die Pads [Model] ports Note that a Module (and therefore EMD) never has connections to [Model]!!! Walter Walter Katz wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx Phone 303.449-2308 Mobile 303.335-6156