[ian-reeds-games] Re: starship basics map
- From: "Allan Thompson" <allan1.thompson@xxxxxxx>
- To: <ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 13:03:57 -0500
Hi Shawn,
Lol, Borg versus the Planet Killer sounds like a wrestling pay per view main
event!
It would be fun to watch them duke it out. The PK might win just cause it can
pump out serious damage.
I wouldn't mind some of those same kind of missions, but it is a war game and I
think there is just limits to what it is designed to do. Still, it is going to
be one heck of a game regardless cause it is just so customizable. My biggest
problem is that I want star trek like voices saying cursor like things like
aye aye captain, or yes admiral and stuff like that. Just voices that give
input on systems perhaps, like when a point value goes to some level the voice
could say, "low on shelds" and things of that nature, lol.
The suppply and demand map is not my forte. I might be able to do a little
bit, but I don't get into those kind of games that much, except for very rare
exceptions.
Any help is appreciated, grin. Right now I am just trying to make the maps in a
basic fashion so I can fill in the details later, or even change sounds and
stuff like that.
It isn't that farfetched to imagine a juggernaught holding larger vessels then
fighters. in the tabletop wargame this is loosely based on, there is a snake
like race called the andromedan. They invade the galaxy from andromeda for
reasons I forget.
Essentially, they have these massive ships called dominators, and they hold
destroyer class ships in them which have a large score of duties. They are
called maulers if I remember right. These destroyer class ships would be
everything from electronic warfare to minesweepers/mine layers, they transport
troops to planets, they escort and tender scout and everything else. So I can
see a new class of ship among the six races called destroyers which could be
carried by those massive ships.
I figure they would be around 100 hull light shields, medium phasers, but not
sure about photons. If they carried heavy weapons, it wouldn't be much. They
would have higher amounts of supplies, and other unusual gear not normally
found on the other starships. With sight range mods, we can do electronic
warfare, mines can be swept now with change terrain flags, and I am still
trying to build a better cloaking device, lol.
I got to look at my map and see where I screwed up. That upsets me that
something is wrong with the earlier maps and I hope I didn't do something
totally stupid.
al
"The truth will set you free"
Jesus Christ of Nazareth 33A.D.
----- Original Message -----
From: shaun everiss
To: ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: [ian-reeds-games] Re: starship basics map
no problem allan you sertainly have given me a lot of data to go over.
I have another scenario to go over with you.
A planet killer vs a borg.
both need to be at space 0 to attack, obviously the killer really
needs dumming down so it doesn't have to many actions say 3 or 4
instead of 6 or whatever it is just so anyone can beat it but maybe
the borg and it should be equally matched, though how to set it that
if both are destroyed you still win though.
I am not a coder but I am definately going to look into the trek stuff.
voice commands?
May be not, I still like selecting options and imagining myself saying.
we would have to use ms speech rec and thats never worked right on my xp box.
I'd like some missions where you need to resupply or simply go round
getting supplies to fix ships unless you can have our supplies
regenerate somehow every turn you would regenerate 1 supply if you
ran out of the 3 or whatever you had but it would only restock if you got to
0.
I know thats a bit not realistic but really its the only way I can think.
I'll definately go over your maps and see just what you have done.
At 08:31 PM 2/1/2013, you wrote:
>Hi Shawn,
>I am updating the starship now. It doesn't seem like much but I
>worked my butt off, lol.
>I again could only test a little bit. More about that later...
>
>I agree with you totally on the trek withdrawls. Today it is all
>reality tv. We got idiot people wandering around on tv doing stupid
>things for national tv and it is on every single channel. Bring back
>the drama and episodic weekly wonders of sci fi goodness! I would
>almost that the new movies were another tv show instead.
>
>I had a star trek game where you actually played as captain. You
>had voice input control, so you could give orders like on trek,
>which was really great. It was back when I could see though, and the
>game was really tough.
>So Ian, if your reading...when are you going to work on voice input
>commands!!! lol
>Right now he probably wants to rip my head off and punt it down the
>street for even saying that, grin.. How awesome would that be
>though? To be able to just say, "Engage!" or "Make it so Number
>one!" or "Earl gray, hot"...well, maybe not the earl gray, lol.
>
> Ok, so far, I think I am plotted up to twenty maps. It will show
> that on the game, but some are just really placeholders and have
> nothing in them.
>
>The storyline so far after resistance was that the borg kicked butt
>and assimulated names, or is that assimulated butts and kicked
>names? I don't know, they are borg, they do whatever the heck they
>want to do, lol.
>Well, after that comes hunter redux, where the joint task force goes
>back to krakus 6 to find hidden schematics for the titan
>juggernaught the klingons had been working on before you blew then up.
>
>They will have to fight something or do something, but after that
>map they have the plans and have built shipyards and have
>juggernaughts for all six fleets being built...but the borg are onto
>it and someone needs to go forward and try to slow them down for an
>alloted amount of time. It is perhaps a suicide mission and I think
>a self destruct device will be included on the players ship if they
>decide that they need to make the ultimate sacrifice to save the
>alpha quadrant.
>
>Teh last map will be the clash of the titans, lol. That is the the
>mother of all blowout mega power spaceships, lol.
>
>Taht map is supposed to be winnable but by the skin of your teeth
>kind of thing. After that I am taking a break.
>
>I hear what you are saying about the starship map, there should be
>all sorts of stuff that would be really cool. My problem is
>that both of our anticipation is not as slow as the reality of
>Ian's abilities and time management. Ultimately he is headed towards
>a full on customizable rpg game, which should use TB combat, so that
>it can include actual away team missions and all that other stuff,
>and still have ship combats. Heck, you might be able to recreate
>every single episode of TNG, lol Could you imagine making seven
>seaons worth of maps, lol.
>
>Ok, what I did...
>I changed the first map a bit, according to your suggestions, which
>made alot of sense. The unseen and unexpected is off. The wormhole
>where the pod is supposed to go to is clear, and the pod is
>supposed to send a transmission taht summons that ambush of klingon
>ships. It is a booby trap. The only problem is that I can't get it
>to do it's thing via the control+a feature which forces ai
>controlled units to move or do actions. I don't know if that is a
>bug, which I doubt since it works for other ai controlled stuff, or
>I messed up somewhere.
>Also, despite the dreadnaught being called erasmus, the escape= flag
>saying erasmus, the game will not recognize the name as the one
>required. I just don't have time to mess with it today.
>
>I did the flight of icarus map, and that one is another mad dash.
>You are trying to get to a space station where your nemesis is
>tortureing a scientist to tell him how to go back in time etc and so
>forth. There is solar flares and klingon fighters and all sorts of good
stuff.
>
>The gunfight for icarus is not completed, I haven't even get to test
>if the transporter pads work. The theme in that one is that you show
>up, talk tot he scientist who , which doesn't have it yet, will tell
>you all about what is going on and how to get past the shield
>barrier. You need threee isolinear chips scattered in the right
>half of the station. The admiral needs to find them and then take
>out the forcefield so he can go with his security and kill klingons
>as they so richely deserve.
>
>Yeah, the moment in time map is cool, but it needs something, I am
>not sure what.
>
>I followed your suggestions for the second hunt map. The unfinished
>juggernaughts are totally unable to fire or do anything. The sensor
>has to be done up close, but hopefully it will be easier with just
>the birds of prey. There is supposed to be some danger to it after
>all. I listed coordinates and what to do with pod 4 cause it is
>damage, so the ship has to jury rig it.. all the pods have wormholes
>right next to them which will send them out. All four pods are away,
>the map will end and tell you are victorious.
>
>For the kill map, I took out three of the heavy cruiser class ships
>and replaced with dreadnaughts, one more for each allied race. Give
>that a whirl, and if it is still too hard, we can try the nine
>dreadnaughts and see how that comes out. Hopefully you can beat it.
>
>It is like 2am so I am headed to bed. I don't think I got to
>anything else so far.
>
>If you got ideas, and want to make a map or thirty for starship
>battles, once I clear up all the , I guess it is code, so that it
>makes sense and is more streamlined, I have no problems sharing credits.
>
>I loved it with the federation borg! Taht is what is so cool about
>trek. If you want some crazy wacky thing to happen, it is all
>possible with psudo tech babble and sci fi elements. Time travel?
>Reverse the polarity. Alternate dimensions where worf is president
>of the universe, no prob, just slip down a wormhole and you got it.
>What I thought was an awesome idea was the mirror universe where
>everything is backwards! That would take some real cunning though. I
>wonder if you can hide your team for a while to pretend to be a bad
>guy so you can get out or something. Still, I love the idea.
>
>Ok, If I missed something, I am sorry. Just tired.
>
>al
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>"The truth will set you free"
>Jesus Christ of Nazareth 33A.D.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:sm.everiss@xxxxxxxxx>shaun everiss
>To: <mailto:ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:50 PM
>Subject: [ian-reeds-games] starship basics map
>
>Hi allan.
>Had some time to play with all maps you fiddled with.
>The titon maps are really hard.
>I found the pods in map2 but have no idea where to send them.
>next I managed to get data to a pod and got it to jump on the second
>try I was detected and had to wait to cloak was eventoally destroyed
>in all 3 maps.
>However because of the pods the game never ended at all.
>the enemy didn't care about them and so the game was locked in that
>mode till I exited the map.
>The moment in time though incomplete was interesting still could do
>with some fleshing out.
>the to kill a titon map is real hard.
>There are 3 juggernaughts, 2 battle cruisers 3 frames and 2 birds of prey.
>My ships managed to kill 3 frames, 2 birds, and 2 juggernaughts but
>that was about it.
>There are to many ships.
>As for the borg I thought of an idea but I tried it myself but the
>game didn't like it.
>There should be a mission where or at least some reason to upgrade
>all ships or at least the federation to juggernaught class.
>the story would have to change a bit after the fog of war map ends
>and have some gap till the borg came or maybe after the borg came,
>have earth as the final destination, have a map where you fight the
>borg but are slaughtered and can't win at all, then somehow have a
>couple maps where you get juggernaught upgrades to everyone test them
>on various things have small arcs where maybe the orians try to steal
>one or something they are pirates after all then maybe have everyone
>with juggernaughts.
>Ofcause the borg would have to be beefed but they could be more like
>borg then.
>ofcause juggernaughts would have to take a lot more punishment than
>standard dreadnaughts and after the total war map be able to take a
>lot more to handle the borg.
>ofcause the handycap would be they wouldn't be fast.
>however being so big I wander if they could launch cruisers, heavy
>medium and light maybe more dreadnaughts but that could be overkill
>but you think on that, there are just ideas.
>This game really rocks, since the trek shows stopped I have been
>pining for trek.
>Now I get to fly ships like in eleteforce.
>I think there should be more story arcs after the current one with
>exploration and conflict peacefull things to, and ship stuff.
>the engine for this grows and grows.
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