[haiku] Re: New "BeOSCompatibility" package for Haiku
- From: fano il primo <fanoilprimo@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: haiku@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:58:06 +0100
The 90% was not a statistic value but an impression reading this article of
Haikuware:
http://www.haikuware.com/20131018619/package-management-breaks-3000-apps-on-haikuware
Karl was, obviously, angry and maybe it is a little exaggeration but how
much are the apps of Haiku? More than 3000? For real?
This the doubt of a user that considers itself a Programmer it was all of
this necessary? Could have not be done in more little steps?
Apple has changed OS, yes radically but the process was really gradual,
Classic was supported for years, Mac OSX worked in PPC until 3 years ago
and any PPC programs runned perfectly emulated in OSX until the last year!
Microsoft 8 supports some "dos" programs, too! A Windows 98 application? No
problem... (bad for the programmer? Sure but for "me" as the user?
Fantastic!).
We don't need another open source OS with an "unstable" interface that
continually change we have Linux for this!
By the way how you do package a software there's a GUI ore a commandline
tool? IMHO a lot of this *lamentation* is that it is annoying to do, simply
as that...
Maybe before make the user GUI for the Package Manager, could have sense to
create an IDE (or finish Paladin) to help the developer to create and / or
package the software?
IMHO Haiku needed this before but now it needs this *badly*, what do you
think?
It is possible to, in some, way automatize the packaging of a "bad
software"?
I want to be clear here* as a programmer I concord *with "The system must
be clean. Haiku shall be different from Linux! No files sparse in any
directories", *but not as a user*, well how do I install a zip package? The
FS is, practically Read only...
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
> On 2013-11-04 at 21:24:34 [+0100], fano il primo <fanoilprimo@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > *If this is not anymore do ask yourself what is Haiku? What is its
> scope?*
> > I could understand the programmer point of view: you do want the system
> > "clean", but try to think to the user: now we have an OS in which the 90%
> > of the software is not compatible anymore, poor Haikuware and its
> manteiner
> > have "lost" all its work. Nothing is Packaged (for now) in this package
> > manager so what now?
> >
> > If Haiku was a commercial product this would be a FAIL, right?
> > If Haiku was Be OS 6 this would be a FAIL, right?
>
> Mac OS X did it several times without any problems. They changed CPUs, OS,
> and more, and they had things such as "Classic" to run old applications
> under Mac OS X. This was optional and worked well.
>
> With the BeOS software I still use, there were not that much problems
> getting it to run on Haiku with package manager. I converted some of these
> to packages because it makes things a lot simpler.
>
> I don't know where you got that 90% number from, but I don't think the
> situation is that bad. A lot of things will keep running just like they did
> before, as the way to install things in BeOS was either pkg files (and
> we're
> going to fix these before we do a release), or "unzip and run", which still
> works as expected. Software requiring a specific installation path is BAD,
> and, usually, the problem comes from quick and dirty ports of SDL apps and
> the like. Since these are quick and dirty, re-porting them in the same way
> is little work. Actually fixing them is a better option, and sometimes not
> much more work.
>
> --
> Adrien.
>
>
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