[openbeos-cdt] Re: Pick a name?!?

  • From: "Stuart McCoy" <stubear@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:34:06 -0400


I discussed this with Micahel this evening and the resolution is this.  Once
a list is compiled, whether it be from this group or the comunity at large,
we (myself and Michael) will have veto power over names in that list and we
will also have the ability to add ones to the list we feel should have made
it but didn't for whatever reason.  This final list will be voted upon by
those interested and take the time to go to the OBOS website to vote.

Ilike your suggestion that we use the list from the OBOS community as a
springboard for brainstorming.  I'm all for it and I would suggest we post
lists to the mailing list.  Don't post one or two a day, come up with a long
list of names and post once a week at most, put some thought into the names.

When coming up with names think about these things:

What does OBOS mean on both technical and end user terms?  How do we want to
represent these definitions to the community? On an emotional level? Long
time BeOS users? New OBOS users?

It would be best that you list the name and a reason why you think this name
would be a good idea.  Please give us something more than "I thought it
sounded neat".  That's a good clue that perhaps the idea isn't such a good

Stuart McCoy

-----Original Message-----
From: openbeos-cdt-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:openbeos-cdt-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Nathan Callender
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:58 PM
To: openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [openbeos-cdt] Re: Pick a name?!?

I have to agree with you and many of the people on this list about opening
up the name suggestions for OBOS to the community.  While this is not a
great idea, it's not the worst either.  Although I would feel better about
keeping the naming in a small group, this actually may be a good thing.
This is what I suggest... so give me some feedback on it:
Since the community is going to start posting names, why don't we use these
as brain storming ideas for this group.  Instead of complaining about stuff,
we could help categorize the names that come in, and then create new names
from them.  We could create a list of all the required checks for the
submissions (ie: copyrighted, taken, has domain name ....) and then check
them all.  So, we would be a filter for all the names that come in.  Once we
have decided what image we want to portray, we would have a jumpstart on
selecting a name.
This way we would actually be able to do something useful, and we could
still be able to control the naming process in order to pick a great name.
This is the type of work that can be distributed among 20 - 40 people
easily, and it will help the naming process go *alot* quicker.
I am even willing to set up a webpage that tracks all the suggestions and
their acceptability as suggestions.  This would make the objective part of
name selection easier.
Ideas from everyone?  In my opinion, this is the only way we will be able to
stay invovled with the naming process.
Stuart, what do you think?  Do you think Michael will find this useful?
NateC (saffertan)

  Rasmus Ekman <rasmus.ekman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"I find this disturbing and my guess is many of these people were in
it because it sounded kewl not because thy had any experience in design or
much interest in actually working."

I can only speak from my point of view. I don't consider myself
or afraid of some labour, but I do indeed dispise disorder and general
I have, to be brutally honest, been ignoring mails that contain
lately, since they all seem to be about name calling ;)

When a medium of communication is decided, I will go there. But from what I
understod (and I have ignored a couple of messages), there is none at this
I thought the forum was ok when it worked.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McCoy"
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:52 PM
Subject: [openbeos-cdt] Re: Pick a name?!?

> First of all, there is no reason for outright hostility and language.
> Second, I can only do so much. I discussed the name with Michael and some
> of the other project leads. Michael suggested posting the quesiton to the
> community at large. I told him IO was against the idea until we have a
> smaller list to work from. I have been in contact with another CDT member
> with marketing experience with branding at this level. It's a slow
> as you can well imagine.
> I'm sorry this isn't as fun as it was when Guy was running things but we
> weren't making ANY progress then. Until I can get Michael to make some
> decisions about the name I can't do anything other than have those
> interested in working on R1 icons do so. Even then I have my own
> reservations as I would like the branding and icons to fit visually.
> I will try to push Michael to make some decisions and make them fast but
> hands are tied until he does pick a name. On that, I have tried to get
> people in the CDT involved in this process b ut I have heard very little.
> In a group of 40+ people, only 7-9 have been active to any reasonable
> degree. I find this disturbing and my guess is many of these people were
> it because it sounded kewl not because thy had any experience in design or
> much interest in actually working.
> As for the web posting, I'll see if I can get Michael to remove the naming
> question from the OBOS site. I agree that this shouldn't be a free for
> with names being picked from random. If you have any suggestions,
> please speak up.
> Stuart McCoy
> stubear@xxxxxxxxx
> http://www.meltingcrayons.com/stubear
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openbeos-cdt-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:openbeos-cdt-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kristof Polleunis
> aka BeAdingo
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:42 AM
> To: openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [openbeos-cdt] Pick a name?!?
> What the f'ck is going on here. Two weeks of silence
> and now this, now the entire community is suggesting
> names at random! Real professionalism this is. I'm
> starting to get tired of working this way. Stuart
> I'm considering resigning from the CDT-team. All of
> the
> suggestions and work send to this mailinglist is
> being thrown out the window.
> What's the point of chosing names at random??? There's
> no point, it only makes the process harder. Now we
> have to screen all these names forcopyrights, check if
> the domains are taken, verify if they have no
> insulting meaning... etc.
> A hundred times at least I pointed out the reasons
> for setting up some rules when choosing names. What
> to avoid, what to take in account when a choice is
> made etc? So why are we starting over and over again,
> just to find out what we already now???
> What's next? Submit your logo or your icons? I start
> to wonder why we have CDT at all. I'm not saying the
> community should not be involved, they should but not
> like this.
> Stuart I want some info here:
> - Why is this published on the OBOS site and why
> aren't we told about this?
> - I'd like to know what your plans are for our team,
> so I can decide whether it's worthwile for me to
> participate or not in the future.
> - Why is there no communication here?
> Kristof aka BeAdingo
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