Yes, Nadine, sorry to say I've had this one a couple of times, but thank goodness no more than that. Zym does enjoy a summer salad, especially grass, and then I get the afre-mentioned clingons. It's all gone OK, actually, but I'm always worried I might pull out more than the grass! I go about it incredibly carefully, but yes, it must be done. Vince. ======================================== Message Received: Jan 05 2014, 09:34 PM From: "Nadine Lattimore" To: "guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" Cc: Subject: [guidedogchat] Not for weak stomachs As subject suggests please do not keep reading if easily upset. Not a great conversation, however follows on from previous conversation of eating random things, spending. When Quartz pretends to be a cow few times a year, he produces what I refer to as cling-ons or star trek as a code name (ref klingon). An incomplete evacuation causing me to have to don a bag or glove if available and tug. A traumatic experience for all involved! None the less has to be done. Any thoughts or similar experiences? Nadine Lattimore