Philip -- I think Scripture says a woman is to be subject to "her own husband," not all men. As to speaking in church, do you think "it's a shame for a woman to speak in church" means that I should not be able to participate in this forum? Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:52 AM Subject: [geocentrism] visiting lists. > Cheryl your words, : " The church is the body of believers." > Cheryl, be careful if you move into other groups. . Here you are among understanding friends, who will tolerate much, and as Christian men we place our women upon a pedestal to be worshipped as a mother of our children, and a provider for mans needs. But please remember that before God, a woman in the hierarchy of creation must at all times be subject to men. Never is she to be contentious and argumentive with her superiors. 1 Corr, Ch. 14 34-35 > 35 But if they would learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home. For it > > is a shame for a woman to speak in the church. > > > > Church: " a body of believers?" > > > > Philip. > > > >