[geocentrism] Re: more on entropy
- From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 01:41:31 +0100 (BST)
Dear Philip,
There are far more than four on this forum, I can assure you, but most prefer
to just listen, which is fine.
As regards infinity, we need to be clear on the distinction between an actual
infinity and a potential infinity. Potential infinity is a concept. Actual
infinity is a number. Numbers do not exist in their own right. Hence, the
question, "how many beans make five?" is meaningless, because five is just a
number and not a physical entity.
Mathematics often leads to nonsense, paradoxes and singularities, because it
manipulates numbers, without there necessarily being any physical significance
to these numbers whatsoever.
Neville.
Philip <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Neville,
I have to admit that your post caused me to think hard. I felt like Jacks
example of the man born blind who has never seen a colour, and thus cannot
understand what blue is.
How can I put my thought of infinity into words that mean the same thing to
all. Perhaps impossible. but let me try. It came to me that the word
REALITY. may be the problem. So I have to deal with this first.
Date: 1550 reality
1 : the quality or state of being real
2 a (1) : a real event, entity, or state of affairs reality> (2) : the totality
of real things and events reality> b : something that is neither derivative nor
dependent but exists
necessarily
- in reality : in actual fact
Main Entry: 2real
Function: noun
Date: circa 1626
: a real thing; especially : a mathematically real quantity
Plus dozens of other definitions all the way to real estate.
Basically from what I see its from a latin for truth or fact.
Out of these various and confusing conditions I speak of a reality as being
a TRUTH of from 2a. above a state of affairs. In other words I mean that
"non existence" as a state does exist. This is opposed to others who would
use the more material concept alone, and consider reality as applying to
physical things. "the spirit or ghost is unreal"
On infinity,
I take up your last point first. "there is also the Biblical one that such a
thing would be without end and therefore the Creation would not be finished,
even now."
God was, is, and ever will be. That is a mathmatical statement of a reality.
God is eternal. No beginning and no end. Thus whilst I can understand how
our finite little time and space universe is finite, has been created, and
can be destroyed, (inihilated would have to be the more correct term)
nevertheless we cannot, we dare not limit God to just one creation. We may
speculate....on possibilities outside our existence.
Meanwhile, you also said, "Infinity is a mathematical concept that has no
bearing whatsoever on reality." That threw me. I have great difficulty with
most complex mathmatical concepts. Likewise theoretical physics. I just have
to be able to picture it in reality, else it does not exist. I actually
visualise myself inside the atom and further, to see electricity flowing.
So here is how I picture infinite space. It is empty space that has no
barrier. It cannot have a barrier if there is nothing there. Space ( the
void) would be there even if nothing existed. It is an infinite space where
something/someone could be placed or created. A room does not have to have
something in it to make the empty room a reality. The void is an EMPTY room
with no boundaries.
This reality means to me, that if I lived forever, (presumably with Grace I
will as a friend of God,) and moved in any direction, I would never come to
the end of space, because there is no end. Why is that not a reality?
God is Infinite. Means God is everywhere, means God is physically infinite
in all directions. God is not limited in time or space. Presumably after our
resurrection, the new earth and the new heaven will likewise allow us in our
immortal bodies to move in any direction, forever should there be any
sensible reason to cause us to want to.
Isn't that a reality of infinite space.
and finally, "There is no basis for an "infinite universe," except to make
people think that they are cosmically insignificant and that everything is
futile and pointless."
Perhaps the Devil would plan to make the pagan think like this. But true
science which includes God, would see being "cosmically insignificant" as a
manifestation of the glory and emmensity of God, that He would deign to
value even something as insignificant as a grain of dust, by sending His
only begotten to suffer on the cross to save it for Himself.
Sorry for still seeming off subject. But is it really?
Philip.
PS I never get heated. I have no nerves, nor high opinion of myself. I am
but a miserable sinner ever seeking adventures in science and discovery. I
am sorry if this seems to create heat in my surroundings. I got kicked off
one Roman Catholic list. But if the cap fits, one must expect it to get hot.
Are there really only four of us here as Rob said? LOL.
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