Dear Neville, Before I get involved in the calculations of yours re the size of the universe, the distance to the furtherest star etc, could you please enumerate the scripture that you regard pertains to the waters held above, and as to their position. I had read a treatise years ago, by a group who were Bible believing Christians, who said that the water was held in an envelope or layer at the top presumably of our atmosphere, that there was no such thing as rain , (norainbow) preflood, only a nightly heavy condensation, in the rain forests. They also held that this envelope acted as a gigantic lenze enabling preflood people to have a much more impressive view of the stars, than we do since the precipitation. I would have to re lookat their video to get all their scriptural quotes later that supported this contention. I have never heard of your contention before that puts the water so far away. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 10:02 AM Subject: [geocentrism] New material Dear All, "Proof of Heliocentric Incorrectness 2" is now on the website www.midclyth.supanet.com You may also be interested in an additional small section on telescopes with regard to universe size at the end of "Cosmology and Gravitation." Neville. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!