[geocentrism] Re: Astronomical Movies
- From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:11:24 -0600
It did take a minute or so to load and play on my computer.
Gary Shelton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Astronomical Movies
> I couldn't get the movies to play. It just shows an empty box.
> Suggestions anyone? I'm no computer whiz.
> Thanks,
> Nick.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Shelton [mailto:garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:14 PM
> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [geocentrism] Astronomical Movies
>
> Cheryl,
>
> Nice movies. I looked at all of them.
>
> As for the moon movie, yes, it would be the same whether the moon was
> moving clockwise, in a geocentric cosmos, as it would for a
> counter-clockwise
> moving moon in a acentric cosmos. You'll notice the caption beneath
> the
> movie does not indicate this proves an acentric cosmos. It does not
> prove either view.
>
> The movie of the moon would look just the same for the geostatists.
> That's why it is so darned hard for either worldview to disprove the
> other.
> Relativity is a double-edged sword.
>
> Anybody else echo this?
>
> Gary
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:19 AM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
>
>
> > Dear Gary -- I checked out a website re the orbit of the moon around
> the
> > earth, earth around the sun, etcetera. Click here:
> > http://www.mesquiteisd.org/planet/movies.html
> >
> > Then click on "astronomical movies" and then click on "The Earth
> Phases"
> (as
> > seen from the moon).
> >
> > According to the Copernican model, the sun turns/revolves once every
> 28
> days
> > (same amount as its orbit around the earth), and the earth revolves
> once
> > every 24 hours. So as the movie shows, if we were standing on the
> moon
> > looking at the earth, we would see the earth going through phases of
> 28
> days
> > (the new earth, full earth, three-quarter earth, etcetera). But in
> the
> > phases we'd see the earth turning its face every 24 hours. The
> rotation
> > would be plainly evident.
> >
> > So I don't get your point. Check out these "movies." They are
> interesting.
> > The one that shows the orbit of the moon around the earth simultaneous
> with
> > the earth's orbit of the sun is really interesting. Check it out.
> >
> > Cheryl
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:45 PM
> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
> >
> >
> > > Hi Cheryl,
> > >
> > > Gary Shelton here. 45 years old. From Valparaiso, Indiana. USA.
> I
> was
> > > introduced to this subject in 2001 through a failed business
> venture.
> One
> > > of my cohorts in demise started talking about it one day and that is
> how
> I
> > > heard about geocentrism. That experience was very stupid on the
> surface,
> > > but I guess I was meant to hear that fellow talk. It is very
> interesting
> > > how God works, isn't it?
> > >
> > > Later, I read all of M.H. and Gerardus Bouw I could get, became a
> member
> > of
> > > the Biblical Astronomer and then found this forum a year or so ago.
> > >
> > > My next path down the geocentric road took me to the Bad Astronomer
> where
> > I
> > > opened a thread and got generally slaughtered for 9 pages, I
> believe.
> It
> > > didn't really convince me that I was wrong, but it did leave me
> wondering
> > > strongly, I must admit. That the Bible teaches geocentrism, I have
> no
> > > doubt. But whether we are able to answer all the scientific
> objections
> to
> > > our position is the hope for this forum, IMHO. As Mr. Richard
> Elmendorf
> > > (author of "Humbug", an expose on the Foucault Pendulum) once told
> me,
> > "the
> > > other side has a 400 year head start, we won't change that soon so
> there's
> > > no sense in getting rushed."
> > >
> > > Well, I'm just a dummy on this forum, and have proven so a few juicy
> times
> > > by laying myself bare with wrong-headed thinking. Nevertheless, I
> > > definitely feel it is essential for Biblical credibility that
> geocentrism
> > be
> > > true. If not, then God becomes worse than the "clumsy grammarian"
> > (Bouw's
> > > phrase) that the phenomenological language touters make him out to
> be,
> he
> > > becomes "in error". My favorite geocentric passage is Psalms 19:4-6
> > "...In
> > > them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5) Which is as a
> bridegroom
> > > coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a
> race.
> > 6)
> > > His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto
> the
> > ends
> > > of it...." I always wonder just how those words can be minced.
> > >
> > > As to a couple of other points you raised, some here might correct
> me on
> > the
> > > following, but I believe your man Cernan on the moon would not have
> any
> > > ability to observe the earth rotating since the earth and moon move
> > relative
> > > to one another. One cannot tell if the train or the train station
> is
> > > moving, or so the Einsteinians say. The "proof" you discuss has
> been
> > mired
> > > in "relativism" and also, in my experience, Newton's first law.
> > >
> > > As far as your tone with the Mormons, I might agree with you or not,
> but
> > > we'd be better served, again IMHO, by sticking to their stance on
> > > geocentricity. There will be no solutions arrived at if a religious
> > > argument begins on this forum. I think all will attest to that.
> But as
> > far
> > > as Mormon scriptures on the subject, here are two that spell out
> pretty
> > > clearly the Mormon view on the subject.
> > >
> > > "Helaman 12:15 And thus, according to his word the earth goeth back,
> and
> > it
> > > appeareth unto man that the sun standeth still; yea, and behold,
> this is
> > so;
> > > for surely it s the earth that moveth and not the sun."
> > >
> > > "Alma 30:44 ...The scriptures are laid before thee, yea, and all
> things
> > > denote there is a God; yea, even the earth, and all tings that are
> upon
> > the
> > > face of it, yea, and its motion, yea, and also all the planets which
> move
> > in
> > > their regular form do witness that there is a Supreme Creator."
> > >
> > > Good luck in your journey here and elsewhere,
> > >
> > > Gary Shelton
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi, Group. I'm Cheryl that Dr. Neville introduced to you.
> > > > I am a new convert.
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > >
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