[geocentrism] Re: Astronomical Movies
- From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:36:39 -0500
I don't think the movie was made to prove anything, rather to illustrate the
Copernican model that is assumed we all believe.
I fail to understand your point about things looking the same on the moon to
a geostatist. Does the geostatist believe in fact that the moon travels
around the earth in one day? Where does the 28 days fit in? Can you
enlighten me?
My point on the movie is that the astronauts would expect to see the world
turning and going through phases. In your opinion, would this in fact be
the case?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:14 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Astronomical Movies
> Cheryl,
>
> Nice movies. I looked at all of them.
>
> As for the moon movie, yes, it would be the same whether the moon was
moving
> clockwise, in a geocentric cosmos, as it would for a counter-clockwise
> moving moon in a acentric cosmos. You'll notice the caption beneath the
> movie does not indicate this proves an acentric cosmos. It does not prove
> either view.
>
> The movie of the moon would look just the same for the geostatists.
That's
> why it is so darned hard for either worldview to disprove the other.
> Relativity is a double-edged sword.
>
> Anybody else echo this?
>
> Gary
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:19 AM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
>
>
> > Dear Gary -- I checked out a website re the orbit of the moon around the
> > earth, earth around the sun, etcetera. Click here:
> > http://www.mesquiteisd.org/planet/movies.html
> >
> > Then click on "astronomical movies" and then click on "The Earth Phases"
> (as
> > seen from the moon).
> >
> > According to the Copernican model, the sun turns/revolves once every 28
> days
> > (same amount as its orbit around the earth), and the earth revolves once
> > every 24 hours. So as the movie shows, if we were standing on the moon
> > looking at the earth, we would see the earth going through phases of 28
> days
> > (the new earth, full earth, three-quarter earth, etcetera). But in the
> > phases we'd see the earth turning its face every 24 hours. The rotation
> > would be plainly evident.
> >
> > So I don't get your point. Check out these "movies." They are
> interesting.
> > The one that shows the orbit of the moon around the earth simultaneous
> with
> > the earth's orbit of the sun is really interesting. Check it out.
> >
> > Cheryl
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:45 PM
> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Hello, group.
> >
> >
> > > Hi Cheryl,
> > >
> > > Gary Shelton here. 45 years old. From Valparaiso, Indiana. USA. I
> was
> > > introduced to this subject in 2001 through a failed business venture.
> One
> > > of my cohorts in demise started talking about it one day and that is
how
> I
> > > heard about geocentrism. That experience was very stupid on the
> surface,
> > > but I guess I was meant to hear that fellow talk. It is very
> interesting
> > > how God works, isn't it?
> > >
> > > Later, I read all of M.H. and Gerardus Bouw I could get, became a
member
> > of
> > > the Biblical Astronomer and then found this forum a year or so ago.
> > >
> > > My next path down the geocentric road took me to the Bad Astronomer
> where
> > I
> > > opened a thread and got generally slaughtered for 9 pages, I believe.
> It
> > > didn't really convince me that I was wrong, but it did leave me
> wondering
> > > strongly, I must admit. That the Bible teaches geocentrism, I have no
> > > doubt. But whether we are able to answer all the scientific
objections
> to
> > > our position is the hope for this forum, IMHO. As Mr. Richard
> Elmendorf
> > > (author of "Humbug", an expose on the Foucault Pendulum) once told me,
> > "the
> > > other side has a 400 year head start, we won't change that soon so
> there's
> > > no sense in getting rushed."
> > >
> > > Well, I'm just a dummy on this forum, and have proven so a few juicy
> times
> > > by laying myself bare with wrong-headed thinking. Nevertheless, I
> > > definitely feel it is essential for Biblical credibility that
> geocentrism
> > be
> > > true. If not, then God becomes worse than the "clumsy grammarian"
> > (Bouw's
> > > phrase) that the phenomenological language touters make him out to be,
> he
> > > becomes "in error". My favorite geocentric passage is Psalms 19:4-6
> > "...In
> > > them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5) Which is as a bridegroom
> > > coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a
race.
> > 6)
> > > His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto
the
> > ends
> > > of it...." I always wonder just how those words can be minced.
> > >
> > > As to a couple of other points you raised, some here might correct me
on
> > the
> > > following, but I believe your man Cernan on the moon would not have
any
> > > ability to observe the earth rotating since the earth and moon move
> > relative
> > > to one another. One cannot tell if the train or the train station is
> > > moving, or so the Einsteinians say. The "proof" you discuss has been
> > mired
> > > in "relativism" and also, in my experience, Newton's first law.
> > >
> > > As far as your tone with the Mormons, I might agree with you or not,
but
> > > we'd be better served, again IMHO, by sticking to their stance on
> > > geocentricity. There will be no solutions arrived at if a religious
> > > argument begins on this forum. I think all will attest to that. But
as
> > far
> > > as Mormon scriptures on the subject, here are two that spell out
pretty
> > > clearly the Mormon view on the subject.
> > >
> > > "Helaman 12:15 And thus, according to his word the earth goeth back,
and
> > it
> > > appeareth unto man that the sun standeth still; yea, and behold, this
is
> > so;
> > > for surely it s the earth that moveth and not the sun."
> > >
> > > "Alma 30:44 ...The scriptures are laid before thee, yea, and all
> things
> > > denote there is a God; yea, even the earth, and all tings that are
upon
> > the
> > > face of it, yea, and its motion, yea, and also all the planets which
> move
> > in
> > > their regular form do witness that there is a Supreme Creator."
> > >
> > > Good luck in your journey here and elsewhere,
> > >
> > > Gary Shelton
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi, Group. I'm Cheryl that Dr. Neville introduced to you.
> > > > I am a new convert.
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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