To add to my question below, the bird launching off the horse heading against the merry-go-round's rotation should be able to hover like a hummingbird and just wait for the third horse behind to come to it and then land. Either way, the bird saves either fliying time or flying distance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl" <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [geocentrism] Re: Airplanes and the atmosphere > Gary -- But that's my question. Does this law apply the same "on" the > earth as "off" the earth. > > Is it in fact true what I said about the hummingbird flying about on the > merry-go-round, that it would really take just as long to get to the > horses ahead as behind, moving against the turning merry-go-round? > > That's the one that would answer my question about the airplane flying > east to west or west to east, and why Newton's law would say it takes the > same amount of time going either direction. There may be some > mathematical formula that says that, but if you actually had such a model > ON THE EARTH and tried to demonstrate that, would it in fact come out that > way? So the bird riding the horse on the merry-go-round is the example > that could be used to prove that. If a bird is perched on a horse going > around on a merry-go-round and launches off the horse and flies three > horses behind him and against the rotation of the merry-go-round, why > would not it take the bird less time to reach the third horse behind than > the third horse ahead? > > THAT's my question. > > Cheryl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:32 AM > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Airplanes and the atmosphere > > >> [Cheryl wrote:] >> Gary -- Thanks for your reply. So everything turns as a whole -- even if >> it's not anchored to the ground. >> >> Would that mean that if a hummingbird was perched on one of the horses on >> a >> turning merry-go-round and decided to fly up to the third horse and land >> that it would take exactly the same amount of time as if the hummingbird >> decided to fly to the third horse in BACK of it? >> >> [Gary writes:] >> >> Yes, but do remember metaphors are metaphors and there really isn't a one >> to EXACTLY match the situation of the earth in the heavens...other than >> the earth in the heavens! >> >> Also, as to Newton's First, here's an example. A ball on the floor of a >> train moving at 60 mph is carried, not by the train, once in motion but >> the fact that it will keep moving at 60 mph until an outside force acts >> upon it to slow it down (or speed it up, possibly). Technically, the >> fact that the ball rests on the train floor doesn't account for its >> continued motion. Without resisting forces such as air and gravity and >> physical obstacles (such as train walls), the ball would roll forever >> once put in motion. Technically. >> >> That's my understanding of Newton's First. If anyone else can clarify, >> feel free. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Gary Shelton >> >> >> >> >> >> >