A spun up flywheel that stops takes less energy to bring back up to the previous rpm then the energy required to bring it to that rpm initially, as long as that is done within a limited time frame....does it matter what the fly wheel is made of? In any case that time multiplied by the entropy = efficiency or rate of energy transfer or we could say the viscosity of the aether to that ordinary matter??? Viscosity(aether) / Apparent motion or gravitational rate should yield the necessary possibilities for the frequency of gravity itself. The fact that the gravitational rate will be the same regardless of the strength of gravity of more massive/volumous bodies indicates that gravity is a function of vibrations?where the rate/ frequency of those vibrations stays the same but whose strength will be determined by the mass and size of a body in question??.low frequencies push high frequencies shock. This hold true even in the everyday world. Therefore the frequency for gravity must be a low frequency as compared to ordinary matter in space. The wave form must be at least longer then the most massive clustering of bodies in space if the distribution of matter is due to gravity. At least ~128 million parsecs or 420 million light years from crest to crest the difficulty is that the source should be located at the center not the peripheral unless either gravity is not responsible for the overall structure ( ie ..structure do solely to a crystal lattice) and or a peripheral source could somehow create interference patterns as we observe in the matter distribution. If due to crystalline structure rather then vibrations then the frequency should still be able to be extrapolated from just viscosity of the aether and the gravitational rate. That in turn should allow us to by trial and error reproduce the observed distribution of mass and or correct for the errors in distance, since the distance maps should have some degree of accuracy even if just in terms of proportions or distance ratios between bodies. The fact that the maps all show a fractal structure which can only be explained in a ordered harmonic universe in contrast to the assumed isotropic randomness expected my MS indicates that the maps have some degree of accuracy if in nothing more then the relative distances between the bodies not necessarily the actually distances to the bodies. It might even allow us to produce more accurate distance maps. Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: The aether is the medium for certain effects particularly waves such as electromagnetic as well as "gravity". Those waves directly affect the bodies in the aether. The aether need not "so much" affect the bodies of Mass itself directly. The waves travailing in the aether do affect the bodies directly as in the case of light is affected by the aether medium and the photo electric effect or a radiometer is a physically observed affect of physical mass affected by light/ wave form but the aether that passed the light along itself does not directly cause the mass to rotate.see attached jpeg.....aether drift I would argue is really just a unaccounted for harmonic(s) or set of harmonic waves due to the interactions & or disturbance of the standing waves in the immediate area due to other masses ....in this way a component of something akin to surface tension could be produced..take the sound board with sand on it the sand particles react to the either they must they are "Embeded" into the aether but to rotate the table of sand on it or around a central body would not necessarily not cause the objects to rotate with the aether itself only those objects that are "set" into the aether would rotate with the aether The other objects are merely affected by the standing wave forms in the aether or the change in harmonics caused by the other objects that are "set" into the aether. The satellite trajectories and Geosats are in effect not being pulled/ dragged by the aether itself but rather they are affected and must work against the standing wave forms travailing in the aether but not the aether itself. Those rotating wave forms about the earth with the aether cause gravity, cause the tides, cause fractal distribution of the masses on concentric shells. The gravity waves travels with the aether and orbits the earth with the rest of the cosmos. It does and is in-fact responsible for the squeezing of the earth at it?s bulges but not the aether itslef. The aether is only the medium for those waves, where the waves are the driving force for all observed movement of mass within the aether. The only exception is universal expansion the same way that if wee took a flexible sound board and stretched it in all directions while it was vibrating.. The overall pasterns would be the same but in that case where the "attraction" as due to the vibrations themselves and not the flexible sound board medium, on the other hand stretching of the flexible membrane would be the cause of any outward motion and not the vibrations.. This is why the earth has stable/ livable weather where the other bodies with comparably dense atmospheres have inhospitable weather since the earth is central to all the standing waves in the aether which affect the center of all that movement the least, just as in the case of the "eye" of a hurricane . Out in space is very violent where here on earth the center and "eye" of it all and is relatively calm. Mass can move within the aether but only as a function of the force applied to it (ie other physical mass contact) and the wave form(s) acting on it. In this way God "set" things in the firmament and they can?t move or change vectors,... how could you without a force to cause movement/change in the vector in the first place,...... all movement is or can be equivocated in terms of harmonic effects & or harmonic effects on a object artificially set in motion from earth ie satellites... As for inertia it is not a force but rather the result of the lack of any force to cause change in position or speed within the aether...We are limited but not entirely restricted in our abilities to produce force that can move the bodies from their "God given"set positions ie meteorites... And every object in space is "set" but it is affected by the standing waves/ harmonics in the aether, although some more then others. Ie..such as light does affect comet trails and applies force on comets trajectories but so does the gravity wave but these are two different wave forms and the net force applied to a comet from a light wave is not as strong as one from the gravity wave(s). In short it is the waves travailing in the aether that produce the apparent effects of motion(s) and gravity, the motions and the trajectory paths of all objects in the aether not the aether itself. The Aether is just the medium for all the various wave forms. The only exception to this might be the very very massive objects/ a mass threshold that could be theoretically "tuned" to the resonate frequency of the aether itself that may physically preclude any movement not tied to the aether itself directly...ie the stretching of the heavens... . Note: all objects in space will vibrate and have a natural frequency. Again only those objects that are "set" into the aether would rotate with the aether and the other less massive/volumous objects are merely affected by their trajectories against the standing wave forms travailing in the aether and the disturbances of those wave forms caused by the other more massive/ volumous objects such as planets & stars as in the case of the sand on the sand board. The other objects will affect how any one given object will behave because it is affected by the wave forms and it in turn will affect how the waveform affects other nearby bodies... As for "gravity" this could also be a indication that the gravitational wave form is a very very very very low frequency. Perhaps the lowest possible frequency the universe can carry which might be a wave form half the size of the universe itself...? I belive the Aether is a varible sea of standing and other wave forms. "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Back to scientific issues. Could I ask those of you who advocate an aether to supply your thinking as regards what effect the aether would have on material bodies (planets, satellites, gas molecules in the atmosphere, or whatever). I ask this because it seems to me that the aether cannot support (pun intended) the geosynchronous satellite. Neville. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today.