[GeoStL] Re: Michigan and SLAGA Forums
- From: "Mike Griffin" <griff@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:56:30 -0500
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Greg,
No one is debating the fact that we would all love to have those areas
available. We all know that there isn't much impact to a cache placed way
the heck out in the woods. Not like a new trail would be blazed out there.
But, we must give a little to recieve a little. If it is there rules that we
stay out of Wilderness and Conservation areas, then that is what we must do.
Otherwise, we would be out of state parks as well. Soon everyone will follow
and we will have all virtuals.
I think that the US Funding part is a ploy to keep people out of areas that
they were told was off limits anyhow. I really don't see where the US
Government has issued a statement. See http://www.fws.gov/ and do a search
on geocaching. There isn't any official statements. This is not to say there
won't be any in the near future if we violate their rules. If we are asked
to stay out of wilderness areas, then that is exactly what we should do.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Ponder" <thehairyhillbilly@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Michigan and SLAGA Forums
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> A BIG point is being missed in all of this-- I quote from below: *As of
April 16, 2003, the US Fish and Wildlife Service has determined that
geocaching is not a compatible use for areas they provide funding for.* If
this is true, my understanding is every state receives money from this
source for their respective Department of Natural Resources. Guess what is
under the umbrella of Missouri's Department of Natural Resources? Missouri
State Parks. It's not just so-called natural areas. If our US bureaucracy
can control our state government this easily, we may soon be limited to
virtual caches almost everywhere. Have a nice day. The Hairy Hillbilly P.S.
Why do we not belong in so-called *natural* areas? They are some of the most
scenic areas in the state. It seems contradictory...a lot like the
wilderness mentality...we're going to protect this area forever...oh, by the
way, you can't go see it. I'm guessing that on average 20 geocachers a year
will go and find these out-of-the-
> way caches. What is the impact of those visitors? None. Geocaching is low
impact. Period. Over-regulatory bureaucracies that have no accountability to
anyone anywhere s**k. Period. I'll shut up now before all my anarchist
tendencies become so readily apparent.
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> Glenn <Glenn@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> yep, thats correct. we dont belong there anyway.
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> At 10:48 AM 4/24/2003 -0500, Mike Griffin wrote:
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> > >From their website I can see where this would be a problem in all
> > states. We shouldn't place caches in Natural / Wildlife areas regardless
> > of what is allowed. There are plenty of areas that are available for day
> > use and camping and having a human presence there doesn't impact the
> > area. Most state parks and many federal lands allow for this. Natural
> > areas and Wildlife preservation areas should be left alone..
> >
> >Here is the article off their home page..
> >
> >EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY
> >As of April 16, 2003 the US Fish and Wildlife Service has determined that
> >geocaching is not a compatable use for areas they provide funding for. In
> >Michigan that includes all State Game Areas and Wildlife Refuges. Because
> >of this new ruling we are forced to ask that all caches placed in those
> >areas be archived and removed immediately. This includes any caches that
> >may have previously received a Use Permit from the DNR.
> >
> >For further information about this ruling please check the General Forum
> >at US Fish and Wildlife Rules against Geocaching
> >
> >Thank you for your cooperation,
> >MiGO Steering Committee
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
> >
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