Re: [foxboro] GUIs and CLI
- From: "Johnson, David" <David.Johnson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 14:07:09 -0500
Tom,
So you want software to be intelligently designed, install correctly and be
configurable without a lot of mucking about in obscure and undocumented places?
I can get behind that. While we're at it, maybe meaningful error messages,
useful help files, and good documentation could be included too. Perhaps
Schneider will fix these problems, but I have my doubts.
And if we did get all that stuff, what would we do with the list?
Regards,
David
-----Original Message-----
From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tom Vandewater
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:26 PM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] GUIs and CLI
I would be crazy to argue with anybody whether GUI or Command line is better.
It is a personal preference. My point was IACC is a GUI interface that should
be able to be installed and used without having to edit text files and run
executables in the background to make it work. Those issues should have been
addressed during the install. All of us dinosaurs had to learn all of the
command line stuff just to make things work. We got so used to jumping through
all the hoops using the command line that we have accepted/expected poorly
designed applications with a lot of undocumented gotchas that continue to waste
everyone's time. I don't mind using the command line to make my work easier,
but I don't enjoy hacking around trying to make a poorly designed application
function properly.
Tom VandeWater
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:52 AM, "Brown, Stanley" <stan.brown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> I second your thoughts on this!!
>
> I can tell someone in the middle of the night, after having been woken up
> from a sound sleep how to change something in a CLI. Not true for a GUI.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan Brown [mailto:stanb@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Johnson, David
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 07:19 AM
> To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [foxboro] GUIs and CLI
>
> Tom,
> GUIs have their place for simple, well defined, limited choice tasks, or
> visualizing data. But try explaining one over the phone. Especially if you
> are artistically impaired, like me. And if they redesign the GUI for any
> reason, it's like starting from scratch.
>
> I'm sure there are shortcuts (which I don't know, and don't care to learn),
> but for me to change the PATH environment variable on windows 7 involves 7
> different mouse clicks in at least 5 distinct windows and you still have to
> know what you are looking for, and read a ton of options that are unrelated
> to the task at heand AND I still have to type the new_path_data.
>
> or
>
> PATH=$PATH;new_path_data
> export PATH
>
> Which of these can you remember? Which can you support over the phone?
> Which stays the same from version to version?
>
> So yeah, I'm a dinosaur, because they survived for millions of years, with a
> brain the size of a walnut (and that's about all I've got to work with these
> days).
>
> And if you think what you just went through was bad, search for all the
> an_init files, and let me know if you can determine which one(s) are the
> master ones.
>
> Regards,
> David Johnson
> PREMIER System Integrators, Inc.
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