[fantcon] Re: Re[2]: Бонни и Клайд - Фрэнки-шоу
- From: leog@xxxxxxxxx
- To: Назар <panterona@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 15:59:53 -0400
Я почти никогда не смотрю англо-амер. фильмы
и сериалы. Иногда среди них попадаются настоящ.
шедевры (Блэк Миррор, например), очень тонкие
эмоционально и по антуражу ленты. Но любое
популярное название (Игра Престолов, например) -
меня отпугивает.
В основном я смотрю французское, итальянское,
квебекское, российское, канадское кино.
Что касается Гитлера - тут всё очень просто.
Из Лондона и Нью-Йорка умело устроили
"оранжевую революцию" в России (1917 год)
и (с помощью гибели миллионов русских
солдат) поставили на колени Германию.
Побеждённую Германию поставили в
крайне унизительные, кабальные, невыносимые
условия, а часть её территорий - ВМЕСТЕ С
НЕМЕЦКИМ НАСЕЛЕНИЕМ! - передали другим
странам (Польше, Чехии, Франции, и т.д.),
где местных ("этнических") немцев унижали,
оскорбляли, дискриминировали, ассимилировали,
и даже убивали. У власти в Германии поставили
марионеток Лондона и еврейских банкиров -
так назыв. Веймарск. режим.
(Разве не напоминает это разгром СССР и
передачу его территорий с ДОМИНИРУЮЩИМ
русским населением другим странам?!).
Марионеточный германский режим "Веймарской
Республики" позволил лондонским банкирам
закабалить всё население, привёл страну на
грань национальной катастрофы.
Когда в Лондоне поняли, что немцы скоро сбросят
Веймарский режим, тогда сделали ставку на Гитлера,
патологического англофила и тайного еврея.
Гитлер не вёл никакой "крестоносной" "католической"
войны:
наоборот, он закрывал и разрушал католические
церкви, боролся с религией - в общем, всё как
в СССР.
Тайное сотрудничество между Лондоном и
Третьим Рейхом шло всю войну.
И Первая, и Вторая Мировая война была
спровоцирована Лондоном, среди прочего,
ради осуществления Палестинского Проекта -
создание евр. госуд. в Пал.
Это была война НЕ против православия во
имя доминирования католицизма, но против
всего христианства, ислама, буддизма и
зоростризма. И сегодня эта война продолж.,
т.к. православие оказалось более стойким
и сопротивляется больше, чем люди на Западе.
Ватикан уже давно контрол. евр. банкирами
и выполняет их волю.
Живя в Монреале, являюсь свидетелем
большевитских репрессий против Церкви -
почти таких же, как было при большевиках
в 1920-х годах. Только в одном Большом
Монреале уничтожены тысячи церквей,
брошены за решётку сотни (а, может,
тысячи) священников и других служителей
церкви.
Если христианские праздники в тот или
иной год совпадают с евр. пасхой, или
с рамаданом, или с другими евр. или
мусульманск. праздниками, по канадскому
гос. радио и ТВ ни слова не говорится о
христианском празднике, только исключит.
бубнят о евр. традициях и праздниках.
Чтобы не оставалось сомнения в том, что
в Канаде идёт война против Церкви,
прилагаю вложенный файл на англ. яз.
Речь идёт о том, что церковь заставили
выплачивать репарации за, якобы,
преступления, "совершённые против
коренных народов", и теперь не только
в Квебеке, но уже и по всей Канаде
сотни церквей идут с молотка, и,
определённо, будут разрушены.
Канадские индейцы громят и поджигают
церкви, при этом оставаясь совершенно
безнаказанными. Не только церкви, но
и культурные центры белых канадцев
подвергаются осквернению, актам
вандализма, нападениям, а другие
захватываются чернокожими и прочими
не белыми агрессорами, которые превращ.
их в свои клубы. Европейская музыка,
мода, философия, идеология, культура,
всё наследие белой расы - фактически
запрещены в Северной Америке.
Почти все литерат. призы, гранты,
трибуну на радио и ТВ, работу на ТВ
и радио, муз. сцену - получают люди
с чёрной или смуглой кожей. (Как
укр. получили "1-й Приз на Евровид"
за ничто).
Во всех странах Запада продолжается
геноцид, направленный против людей
белой расы, и во главе его стоят не
мусульмане, но евр. крайние экстремисты
(Бней Брит, и т.д.), сатанисты, часть
озлобленных чернокожих, америк.
индейцев (отщепенцы, меньшинство,
но зато очень шумное и наглое), но
возглавляют эту кампанию БЕЛЫЕ
англо-американцы типа Бай. или Псак.
Итальянцы и немцы пытались этого
не допустить, но во главе их враги
поставили заведомо проигрышные
фигуры Муссолини (ученика Ленина
и Балабановой) и Гитлера (ученика
венских раввинов - о чём он сам,
кстати, пишет в своей тягомотине
под назв. Майн Кампф).
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 00:12:58 +0300 [14/05/22 05:12:58 PM EDT]
From: Назар <panterona@xxxxxxx> Russian Federation
To: Анатолий <twin58@xxxxxxxx>
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Reply-To: Назар <panterona@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re[2]: Бонни и Клайд - Фрэнки-шоу
Quoting Назар <panterona@xxxxxxx>:
Потрясающий фильм! Впервые я посмотрел его много лет назад и до сих
пор нахожусь под впечатлением от воспоминаний.
Но, нам никто, до сих пор, не разъяснил смысл Великой Отечественной
Войны. Даже в великолепных советских учебниках писали, что Гитлер
мечтал захватить весь мир. И это именно так, но с какой целью? Чтобы
арийская раса доминировала над остальными? Полный бред! Арийская
раса, это тоже самое, что раса древних укров, построивших пирамиды в
Египте, раскопавших Чёрное море и написавших Тору, Мишну, Талмуд и
Ветхий завет.
Эта война явилась продолжением религиозных войн, которые католики
вели на продолжении столетий. Они воевали против мусульман за
священный город Иерусалим, но, жёстко получив по морде, перекинулись
на православных христиан и иудеев. Католики поняли, что разрушив
православие, они наберут в свою армию солдат, которые сумеют
победить мусульман.
Они добились значительного успеха в Европе, захватив страны с
доминирующим количеством православного населения, например Грецию,
но, они не ожидали такого жёсткого ответа от СССР, в котором
мусульмане и православные сжались в общий кулак.
Сегодня американцев бесит, что, в настоящее время, православные и
правоверные воюют вместе против католиков. Потомки крестоносцев
снова ведут крестовый поход, не обращая внимания на то, что их
бывшие союзники из арабского мира встали на сторону православных.
Глава католической церкви папа Римский, всеми силами своих молитв
предостерегает их от поддержки Украины. Полагаю, что он знает, чем
всё это закончится.
Прошу прощения у всех католиков, желающих мира и верующих в Бога.
С уважением, Назаркин Александр
panterona@xxxxxxx
Суббота, 14 мая 2022, 22:51 +03:00 от Анатолий <twin58@xxxxxxxx>:
Советую посмотреть фильм под названием «Иди и смотри»
Суббота, 14 мая 2022, 22:25 +03:00 от Editory < e-vi@xxxxxxx >:
"Закрой глаза и смотри"
http://fshow.info/fc/out.php?82
Архив ролей:
Фрэнки-шоу (музей) http://fshow.info/index.php?all
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Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 22:53:55 +0300 [14/05/22 03:53:55 PM EDT]
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Reply-To: Назар <panterona@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re[4]: Бонни и Клайд
Я никогда не считал себя фашистом, но, фашизм и национализм является
неотъемлемой частью каждого человека, хочет он этого или нет. Политика
любого государства, его Конституция и Закон, уже являются
националистической составляющей общества, не считая многонациональных
образований, типа России. У нас создано уникальное объединение
религиозных конфессий, не противоречащих друг другу. Только у нас,
православный христианин, отправляя снаряд из гаубицы, благословляет
его напутствием «Аллах акбар». И только у нас, командир чеченского
спецназа «Ахмат», говорит своим подчинённым, что вчера мы потеряли
парня, русского из Мурманска, за которого я бы отдал жизни десятков
чеченцев.
Я не сторонник политики Путина и никогда им не был. Я писатель и
аналитик, поэтому придерживаюсь реальных взглядов. Путин, за один год,
успешно завершил войну в Чечне. Забомбил ИГИЛ в Сирии, которого боялся
весь мир. Спецоперация на Украине является сложной шахматной игрой,
развязанной Россией и Китаем. Она рассчитана на обескровление сил НАТО
для смены мирового доминирования. Это очень долгая игра, которая
преподнесёт всему миру массу интересных сюрпризов.
А что касается фашизма, то, на мой взгляд, это явление, с которым надо
бороться внутри себя. Впрочем, невозможно победить эмоции, настроения
и жизненные ситуации, временно перестающие в мировоззрения.
А из этого можно сделать вывод, что фашизм будет существовать до
скончания света, также, как коммунизм, социализм и капитализм. А может
быть, пора придумать что-то новенькое?
С уважением, Назаркин Александр
panterona@xxxxxxx
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Суббота, 14 мая 2022, 22:08 +03:00 от Editory <e-vi@xxxxxxx>:
Согласен. Полагаю, в основном мы с Вами согласны.
С 11СД, где воевал дед, застал в живых только 1 человека,
зав.офицерской столовой. Кроме этого, есть одно письмо с поезда по
дороге на фронт и общая инф про боевые действия части.
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On May 14, 2022, at 21:54, "Анатолий" < twin58@xxxxxxxx > wrote:
Да разобрался, вот только это не вызывает во мне столько эмоций. В
прошлый раз, тоже уроды из пятой колонны, на сайте бессмертного полка
выложили фото фашистов. Не нужно тиражировать, это только на руку
этим подонкам. На это нужно обращать внимание, соответсвующим
структурам которые с этим разберуться. А бегать и тыкать пальцем, и
закатывать по этому поводу истерику, по меньшей мере глупо и пошло.
Насчет памяти, вот вы и запишите и передайте своим детям, если есть,
что рассказать. И так должен сделать каждый кому дорога память . Мне
дано записать это в стихах и песнях, что я и делаю.
Суббота, 14 мая 2022, 16:14 +03:00 от Editory < e-vi@xxxxxxx >:
Уважаемый Анатолий,
То Вы не разобрались. Б и К были на экране рос.патриотического шоу
сзади артистов, изображавших наших. Был скандалец. Похоже, что
постановщики думали - то колхозники или советские люди в мирном щасте
:))))) так именно так теряется знание
Согласен, пасквили писать не надо, но сначала собрать и записать то,
что реально было и осталось от предков, потом песни.
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On May 14, 2022, at 15:38, "Анатолий" < twin58@xxxxxxxx > wrote:
Читаю эту вашу, как вы сами пишете, хрень и думаю, какая каша в голове
этого человека? Для того чтобы понять преживание надо это пережить.
надо уметь любить свою родину, РОДИНУ , а не тех кто ей управляет. У
меня в роду все воевали , я свою родословную знаю с 1812 года. Мой пра
прадед Москву спасал от пожаров. Мой дед Москву защищал от фашистской
мрази. У нас с фронта невернулось 4 человека. Про моего отца знаю я и
мои дети, которые несли его фотографию 9 мая по улицам города. Я не
агитирую за войну, я прекланяюсь перед теми кто уничтожал и уничтожает
нацистское зло. Кстати лучше писать песни, чем пасквили.
Псевдопатриоты это такие как вы, сидящие на диванах и ноющие о том как
все плохо, а вы сможете сделать лучше?
Вот вы тут про америкаских ублюдков вспомнили, ну если вам они по
душе, ну так и езжайте к ним. Восхищайтесь этой мерзостью . И ва
будет хорошо и у нас воздух чище будет.
Суббота, 14 мая 2022, 10:38 +03:00 от Editory < e-vi@xxxxxxx >:
Анатолий, Вы и сделали по-настоящему. Как и вся совецкая культура, и
даже как её лучшие... образцы, так сказать. Вам еще гос.премию дадут,
если заметят. Благодаря Вашему несомненному поэтич и музыкальному
таланту. Гипнотично. Каждый воспримет этот гипноз по-своему, я
воспринимать этот гипноз сознательно не хочу. Переживания? Да,
переживания другого человека всегда чудо радость праздник знание
изменение и т п. Но здесь я увидел переживания телевизора.
Можно было увидеть ВАШИ переживания, не увидел, тем более переживания
Вашего отца.
Мне как слушателю больше бы подошло читать полное и дотошное до
мелочей подробное как только возможно вспомнить, описание того, как
Ваш отец "прошёл блокаду от начала до конца". Не писал бы я всю эту
хрень, спросил бы просто - расскащать, где, как был в блокадп Ваш
отец, но Вы пишете пачками псевдопатриотич песни, агитируете за войну.
А настоящее знание, похоже, пропадает. Это богатмтво у Вас есть, но
пропадает.
Технически: эти фотографии редкость, требуют минимум даты а то и
комментария. Иначе преврашается в эмоциональные крики. Мы уже видели
Бонни и Клайд сзади офиц.шоу :)))). Я вот не знаю, где когда половина
из них сделана, кто снимал, что на них и т п. , тем более кто вообще
где-либо знает про Вашего отца?
С уважением
Александр.
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On May 13, 2022, at 22:27, "Анатолий" < twin58@xxxxxxxx > wrote:
Я вообще не умею делать клипы. Это просто первый опыт. И фотографии
подобраны из того, что было. Я вложил в стихи и песню переживание
моего отца, прошедшего блокаду от начала до конца. Может вы в это
деле , создание фильмов, имеете опыт? Был бы вам премного благодарен,
если бы вы сделали по настоящему.
Пятница, 13 мая 2022, 9:56 +03:00 от editory < e-vi@xxxxxxx >:
К этому письму приложены ссылки на следующие файлы:
1. Блокада Ленинграда фильм.mp4 (43 Мб)
Ссылка для скачивания файлов:
https://cloud.mail.ru/stock/99dVNvfG7qYxWA1kBBnD91ax
Уважаемый Анатолий,
благодарю Вас за отклик! Собираем любую информацию.
Благодарю за фотографии.
Немного разочарован тем, что содержание не совсем соотв названию -
ожидал увидеть именно докум. фильм про Блокаду.
Если мой старый ответ письмом не дошёл, вот он:
https://www.litprichal.ru/work/465281/
Quoting Назар <panterona@xxxxxxx>:
Потрясающий фильм! Впервые я посмотрел его много лет назад и до сих
пор нахожусь под впечатлением от воспоминаний.
Но, нам никто, до сих пор, не разъяснил смысл Великой Отечественной
Войны. Даже в великолепных советских учебниках писали, что Гитлер
мечтал захватить весь мир. И это именно так, но с какой целью? Чтобы
арийская раса доминировала над остальными? Полный бред! Арийская
раса, это тоже самое, что раса древних укров, построивших пирамиды в
Египте, раскопавших Чёрное море и написавших Тору, Мишну, Талмуд и
Ветхий завет.
Эта война явилась продолжением религиозных войн, которые католики
вели на продолжении столетий. Они воевали против мусульман за
священный город Иерусалим, но, жёстко получив по морде, перекинулись
на православных христиан и иудеев. Католики поняли, что разрушив
православие, они наберут в свою армию солдат, которые сумеют
победить мусульман.
Они добились значительного успеха в Европе, захватив страны с
доминирующим количеством православного населения, например Грецию,
но, они не ожидали такого жёсткого ответа от СССР, в котором
мусульмане и православные сжались в общий кулак.
Сегодня американцев бесит, что, в настоящее время, православные и
правоверные воюют вместе против католиков. Потомки крестоносцев
снова ведут крестовый поход, не обращая внимания на то, что их
бывшие союзники из арабского мира встали на сторону православных.
Глава католической церкви папа Римский, всеми силами своих молитв
предостерегает их от поддержки Украины. Полагаю, что он знает, чем
всё это закончится.
Прошу прощения у всех католиков, желающих мира и верующих в Бога.
С уважением, Назаркин Александр
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<h1
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ST. JOHN'S (CANADA)<BR>The Pillar
[Washington DC]<br><p>May 9, 2022</p> </p>
<p>Nearly 20 parish churches on the eastern edge of North America face the
prospect of closure, as the properties have gone up for sale in bankruptcy
proceedings for the Archdiocese of St. John’s, Newfoundland, Canada. </p>
<p>The parish church properties – at 18 of the 34 parishes in the
archdiocese – were included in a March notice of sale, part of an
effort to resolve an <a
href="
https://documentcentre.ey.com/#/detail-engmt?eid=475";>archdiocesan
bankruptcy filing</a> and a court order to compensate victims of sexual
abuse at a closed Catholic orphanage in Newfoundland.</p>
<p>The Newfoundland archdiocese was in 2021 found liable for a religious
community which operated <a
href="
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Cashel_Orphanage";>Mount Cashel</a>, a
notoriously abusive orphanage in the archdiocese that closed in 1990. After it
became responsible to compensate more 100 men sexually abused at the orphanage
in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s, <a
href="
https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/news/archdiocese-of-st-johns-files-for-bankruptcy-protection-100673289/";>the
archdiocese filed for bankruptcy protection in December 2021</a> —
compensation claims were expected to exceed $50 million CAD.</p>
<p>In the Church’s canon law, parishes are regarded as separate legal entities
from the archdiocese which governs them, and their property – including
the parish church – is regarded as distinct from archdiocesan assets. But
parish properties in Newfoundland are civilly owned by the Roman Catholic
Episcopal Corporation of St. John’s, and thus eligible for liquidation in the
archdiocesan bankruptcy. </p>
<p>The archdiocesan cathedral complex – which includes the 1855 Cathedral
Basilica of St. John the Baptist and the archdiocesan administrative offices
– are among the church properties already listed for sale, most of which
are in close proximity to the city of St. John’s.</p>
<p>Additional parish properties in the Newfoundland archdiocese are expected to
be listed for sale in the weeks to come.</p>
<p>Parishioners at Holy Rosary Parish in the village of Portugal Cove-St.
Philips say they want to keep their parish church open as a sacred space. But a
group of business leaders in their small seaside community aims to <a
href="
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f159a0e40eec17f4d5c8ed9/t/6277f60a7f21173cd1bf5a72/1652028957043/May+07+PCSP+FUNDING+PROPOSAL_RC+CHURCH+FINAL_+REVISED+07MAY2020_1230PM_JJ.pdf";>purchase
and redevelop the property</a> as a community space, with a focus on
“heritage,” “arts and culture,” and “health, wellness, and mindfulness.”</p>
<p>Local Catholic Ed Martin told <em>The Pillar </em>that he and
other parishioners <a
href="
https://holyrosarynl.ca/help-us-save-holy-rosary-parish/";>are raising
money</a> so they can make a bid on the parish property — at the very
least on the parish church itself, even if the parish hall and other parts of
the property are sold to others.</p>
<p>Martin said he initially expected the group aiming to redevelop the property
would continue to allow Mass to be offered there. </p>
<p>But at a parish meeting last week, “it became very apparent that they have
no plan to allow us to continue … they’re talking about taking pews out, and
basically making it into a concert hall.”</p>
<p>To bid on the property, “we’ve set up a GoFundMe campaign, and we’ve also
gone to parishioners to make pledges,” Martin told <em>The Pillar.</em></p>
<p>“The whole thing is sealed bids, so we have no idea what we’re up against.
But we’re going to try to do our best, and we don’t know what the outcome is
going to be.”</p>
<p>Some parish churches for sale in the archdiocese are home to large
communities, which are expected to be able to purchase their
buildings. </p>
<p>Holy Rosary is not that kind of parish — Martin acknowledged that in his
small village, only “about 50 people” attend Mass regularly at Holy Rosary. But
he said that because other parishes in the area have recently closed, and with
some Catholics moving to the area, the parish can be viable in the wake of the
pandemic.</p>
<p>“There’s two churches left for the whole of Conception Bay, and that’s a
population of nearly 60,000 people. So that’s one of the reasons that gives us
a little bit of hope that we could make a run of it, because we can potentially
pull people in from a little farther away.”</p>
<p>The closing of churches, he said, comes at a difficult time for Catholicism
in eastern Canada.</p>
<p>“Unfortunately, like many places in the Western world, Mass attendance has
declined — I don’t know what percentage of people who claim they’re Catholic
attend Mass, but it’s not too high. And we do have too many churches here … On
the other hand, I’m in my 50s, and my children are a bit older, but there is a
group coming behind me, in their 30s, forming families right now, and they’re
very solid in their faith. And that, to some degree gives me hope, that there
won’t be a lot of people, but the people who will remain in the Church …
they’re going to bring the future.”</p>
<p>“The other hope we have is that we’re seeing more immigration here. When I
came [to Newfoundland] 25 years ago, you didn’t see any people of color — very,
very rarely. And now we are welcoming people from Africa and the Philippines,
and they’re coming to our churches as well, and there’s some hope there
too.”</p>
<p>But without Holy Rosary and other parish churches, Martin said, it will be
hard to be Catholic in his part of Newfoundland.</p>
<p>“I think it’s gonna be difficult for communities where I am if our church
disappears, and other parish churches disappear,” he told <em>The
Pillar.</em></p>
<p>The archdiocese of St. John’s has not announced that it will suppress the
parishes whose buildings are for sale — only that the church buildings
themselves could be closed. But it is not clear where parish communities would
worship without church buildings. </p>
<p>Martin said that archdiocesan administrators have been supportive of local
efforts to hang onto parish churches.</p>
<p>“They’re supportive. The archbishop has said that any parish that
wants to can make a bid on their property, and is welcome to. The archbishop —
poor guy — he only came here in 2019… and he’s been put in a hard position.”</p>
<p>Still, “there could be more communication. Of course, I do understand that
there may be legal constraints as to what they can actually say. So it just
seems that there’s some degree of secrecy, which is probably more the lawyers
than our archbishop,” Martin added. </p>
<p>At least one St. John’s parish, St. Kevin’s, will not go up for
sale. <a
href="
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-newfoundland-parish-lottery-money-to-pay-abuse-survivors/";>The
parish raised $5.5 million in a “Chase the Ace” lottery fundraiser in
2017</a>, which will allow it to purchase its church and parish hall –
valued at nearly $1 million – from the archdiocese.</p>
<p>In 1911, the Holy See urged American bishops to separately incorporate each
parish in a diocese; and to avoid any legal structure in which a single entity
held title to the property of all diocesan parishes. While some bishops
responded, others in the U.S. have maintained “corporation sole” models, in
which all parish real estate is civilly owned by a single legal entity –
potentially putting parishes at risk for diocesan liabilities. </p>
<p>While canon law does not allow closed churches to be sold for “sordid use”
and requires an archdiocesan college of consultors and finance council to
approve sales of church buildings, it is not clear how canonical requirements
will be included in the sale process of churches listed for sale. <a
href="
https://documentcentre.ey.com/api/Document/download?docId=35114&language=EN&fbclid=IwAR302ljBPcjsoMf8ITitWD_UhdKztFf0Q0klpw6eh7ZK0JJBY2-b3N00Qo0";>The
bankruptcy documents do not explicitly indicate a provision for canonical
processes in the course of sales</a>. </p>
<p>For its part, <a
href="
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/archdiocese-court-bankruptcy-1.6435269";>the
archdiocese is suing its insurance carrier, which has refused to indemnify or
defend the archdiocese. And archdiocesan attorneys are also working to see
their bankruptcy settlement restructured, to allow for a more orderly process
of selling properties</a>. A ruling is expected in late May. </p>
<p>It is not clear whether parish communities in St. John’s will also file suit
in an effort to protect their parish properties from archdiocesan fiscal
liabilities. </p>
<p>The <a
href="
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/after-orphanage-abuse-lawsuit-canadian?s=w";>Mount
Cashel Orphanage</a> story in Newfoundland is one of the most egregious,
notorious, and horrific stories of clerical sexual abuse in the history of
Canada.</p>
<p>The orphanage opened in Newfoundland in 1898 and operated for nearly a
century. It was operated by members of the Irish Christian Brothers religious
order. In the late 1980s and 1990s, it emerged that hundreds of orphanage
residents had been sexually abused over decades at the orphanage.</p>
<p>In the decades that followed, the Christian Brothers and the Newfoundland
government paid more than $27 million to victims of sexual abuse at the
orphanage. The Christian Brothers in Canada eventually went bankrupt.</p>
<p>But one legal issue was not resolved until January 2021. Victim-survivors of
abuse at the orphanage filed suit claiming that the Archdiocese of St. John’s
was responsible for the abuse at the orphanage — that the archdiocese had
created the environment in which abuse occurred by inviting the religious order
to run the orphanage, and that it had been negligent in exercising supervision
over the Christian Brothers.</p>
<p>The archdiocese claimed it was never responsible for the operations of the
orphanage, and was not empowered to be involved in the internal operations of
the Christian Brothers.</p>
<p>In July 2020, the provincial Supreme Court of Newfoundland and Labrador
found that the archdiocese did engage in some supervision over orphanage
activities— but not enough. </p>
<p>The archdiocese assumed supervisory authority by inviting the Christian
Brothers to run the orphanage, representing itself to the government as an
operator of the orphanage, by approving its fundraising initiatives, by
supplying priests for spiritual care, and by involving itself in admissions
policies, the court said. </p>
<p>The court concluded that because the archdiocese exercised some kinds of
oversight over the orphanage, it could not claim to have no responsibility with
regard to abuse claims.</p>
<p>“The Archdiocese vested the Brothers with power over the appellants within a
structure requiring obedience to and respect for the Brothers. This set-up was
ripe for the Brothers to exercise their unchecked power and authority over the
appellants,” the judges wrote.</p>
<p>“In our view, the total relationship between the Brothers at Mount Cashel
and the Archdiocese shows that the Brothers were working on the account of the
Archdiocese’s social and religious mandate. Their relationship was sufficiently
close, and the connection between the Brothers’ assigned tasks and their
wrongdoing was sufficiently close, to justify the imposition of vicarious
liability on the Archdiocese,” the court concluded.</p>
<p>If it acted in charge when it was convenient, the judges said, the
archdiocese had to be in charge when it proved inconvenient as well.</p>
<p>In January 2021, Canada’s Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from the
archdiocese against the Newfoundland decision, essentially affirming the
decision of the lower court, and settling archdiocesan responsibility to
compensate abuse victims.</p>
<p>For his part, Martin said he absolutely believes victims should be
compensated – including victims of abuse at his own parish, where
clerical sexual abuse first came to light in the 1980s.</p>
<p>“We have a very unfortunate history of abuse here…and I do believe that
these victims were hurt badly and I understand the justice that they need to be
compensated.”</p>
<p>Martin said victims of abuse are carrying the cross of their abuse. He said
parishioners, “not the hierarchy,” are now asked to pay that cost.</p>
<p>“The victims need to be compensated, I see the justice of that,” he said.
“It’s hard when the little church down the road that you love is thrown into
the mix.”</p>
<p>“So we need to try to buy back our parish. And we’re gonna try to get there.
We’re trying to keep it going.”</p>
<p>The deadline for bids on parish property is June 2.</p>
<p>
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https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/18-newfoundland-churches-for-sale</div></p>
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